Did god create Satan knowing that he will rebel against him and become the devil?

Did god create Satan knowing that he will rebel against him and become the devil?

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Satan is just an artifact of the geometry of reality

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      What do you mean?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Which reality?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >unenlightening statement with no useful detail

      Begone and rot

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The devil rebelled against God of his own free will

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >God knows everything
      >Therefore he creates satan even though he knows he will rebel
      Free will is irrelevant to the argument

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        (checked)
        >knowing something is going to happen is the same as causing it to happen.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          no, knowing something is going to happen is knowing something is going to happen. like in this case.
          on a side note, *infallibly* knowing that something will happen does amount to causing it.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          If he knew that it was going to happen, then it was already predetermined

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >God knows everything
        >Therefore he creates humans even though he knows they will rebel
        Free will is relevant to the argument

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          the argument is that creating something you know will rebel against you is at the very least weird. how is free will relevant here? it does not matter why and by which mechanism they will rebel. if god knows they will rebel and still creates them, it follows that either he wants them to rebel or a higher power than him compels him against his will to create them.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >is god omniscient?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes

      Not all definitions of omniscience include knowledge of the future. If Lucifer's fall was due to his own free will, this is not something God could have known ahead of time.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >this is not something God could have known ahead of time
        kek, christgays everyone

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    A better question to ask is if Lucifer felt envy against humanity does this mean angels have emotions. But if we follow St. Aquinas’s teaching that angels are only form not matter thus suggests that emotions are not dependent on matter

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      What did aquinas think about the devil

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    If Satan ever existed, then yes. And more, God made him rebel against Himself.

    Nothing happens in this world without God's will. Not even a leaf moves without God's will.

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't take Milton's fanfic so seriously.

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. Satan was an angel, so he probably still have the powers of an angel. But he made a vow to derail humanity from the path of righteousness. God forgave (that's not the proper world) him until the Day of Judgement, so the Devil can act upon humans until that day. Those who chooses to follow the Devil will go to hell with him. I know that hell is disgusting. The disbelievers, who we see here daily mocking divinity, will all end there.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >forgave
      The word I was looking for is 'respite'.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is literally Muslim theology... just replace "Angel" with "Beijg of smokeless fire" and it is literally just the quran story.

      WHY THE FRICK DO CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN A CHARACTER FOUND ONLY IN THE QURAN?

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Paradise lost isn't canon.

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is a big problem when reading the New Testament. The words "Satan", "Lucifer", "Demons", "Fallen Angel", "Devil", are NOT in the Torah. Moses NEVER mentioned them. The word "devils" might be in some Torah translations, but it's a reference to idols, not the offspring of Satan.

    So, why did Moses write two entire books on the Law, but never bothered to mention that we are battling hypergalactic fallen angels who fell from heaven? Because, this is 1st century Pharisaic Gnostic literature that Jesus was battling during His ministry. The word "Satan" is an untranslated Hebrew word that was never properly translated into Greek, nor was it translated into English. They purposely left it in Hebrew, then slapped it with a capital "S" to make it an entity.

    The israeli Gnostics and Pharisees teach that an evil angel named "Samael" is the evil guardian angel of Roman Europeans, and he is known as "Satan" and "Lucifer". Ask yourself, why does the word "Lucifer" only show up one time in the Bible, and why is it a pure LATIN word that was purposely left in Latin and slapped with a capital "L"? The Old Testament came from the israeli Masoretic Bible.... how did a Latin word find its way into an English Bible?

    When "Satan" or the "Adversary" first shows up in the Bible, in the book of Job, he is not a rebel, he is God's loyal servant who obeys every word God says. The entity that we call "Satan" is not evil, he serves God with pure loyalty.

    The story of "Satan" or "Lucifer" rebelling, is found in Rabbinical folklore and the Quran. It's not in the Torah. MEN are the enemies in the Bible. Gnostics use fallen angels and demons as scapegoats, when the real enemies are man-made doctrines, Gnostics and Pharisees.

    (Skip to 1:16:43)

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      bro you are fricking schizophrenic as shit.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        The New Testament presents two options, Jesus was either healing the sick, or casting out devils. This is real history, since that is EXACTLY how a 1st century Greek or israelite would interpret someone being healed. When Jesus was casting out a devil from a man who called himself "Legion" in Mark 5:9-15 and Luke 8:30, and he cast the devils into the pigs and drowned them... Jesus was NOT battling a demon, even though that's what it appears to say. The man was suffering from schizophrenia, which can be caused by people eating bad meats (especially pork). People who live in desert countries shouldn't eat pork, it's super dangerous. Pork is a very unforgiving meat to eat, and can not only give you parasites that eat at your brain, but bad pork can kill you.

        So, if you were to go back in time and tell people in the 1st century that "this man Legion is diagnosed with toxoplasma gondii and schizophrenia, caused by an obligate intracellular parasite protozoan eukaryote"... YOU WOULD BE THE CRAZY ONE! Nobody back then would understand what you just said if you tried to give these people a 21st century scientific explanations. MAJORITY of the people living at this time would only understand this by telling them Jesus was casting out devils and demons, since that is how they spoke during the 1st century.

        So, yes, Jesus was casting out demons, but he was also just healing the sick. The New Testament authors write BOTH views, and this is super accurate history, since this is the only way you could write this message during the 1st century, so that the average person would understand what you just said.

        While I don't believe that Demons and Devils are real and are scared of antibiotics and chicken noodle soup, I believe that the New Testament is perfectly accurate when it mentions that Jesus was casting out devils, since that is perfect 1st century vernacular.

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