Debating with my catholic uncle

Hey anons.
So I got a dilemma. First thing: I'm a Hare Krishna devotee, my uncle is a catholic. He likes to pick fights with me on how I'm wrong and that he's always right, and never seems to acknowledge that I agree with/support a good chunk of his beliefs. I'm heading over to his place next month for my dad's funeral, and what drains me is that I'm probably gonna have to deal with some of his arrogance. We'll never seem to meet a middleman for this situation, but is there a solution or a way for me to get him to basically (not to be mean, he's my uncle and I still love him" shut up or not butt heads with me religious wise? I know Prabhupada had great conversations with christians, but I personally don't think my uncle will listen. Any tips or ideas? Thanks

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  1. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Listen to Rabbi Tovia Singer. He has good arguments against Christianity without resorting to atheism

  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    "It's a funeral, let's not get into all that right now"

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is the simple and krishna-christ-pilled answer. You can't turn down those numbers.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Annoying how correct and the-bigger-person this one is

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      this. why are people's social skills so ass nowadays?

  3. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    you worship fricking dybbuks

    pathologically disembodied spirits

  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just throat punch the fricker and tell him to shut the frick up. Especially at your father's funeral. Stop being a pussy.

    inb4 ''YoU dOn'T uNdErStAnD hOw My FaMiLy OpErAtEs"

    You know, for as much as people seem to dislike Jordan Pertersen (Perterson? idfc), he made a good point on the whole "sit at the edge of your bed one night and ask yourself the hard questions'' shit. If you legit ask yourself how to act or respond, and earnestly mean it, you should get your answer. May not like how it is, but the universe if fricking brutal. Stop being a basedbeing.

    If that was my uncle I'd fricking shoryuken the frick out of his existence at my father's funeral if he decided to start some shit.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly had several thoughts of decking him, so it might even be fate at this point.

  5. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    I would suggest saving your energy, catholics are beyond help. They literally overlooked a giant pedo scandal. Usually they are materialist and they view the Catholic Church as “winning”. They think God cares about money. It’s the church of the antichrist. They are being conditioned to eat flesh and drink blood like demons. Worshipping a man who walked the earth as God is paganism.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Typical prod forgets that their entire religion came from Rome, Bible etc which existed for 1500 years before Satan shat Prods into existence to divide the church.

      Denying the body and blood of Christ which is the continuation of the Passover law which Christ himself said he did not change, I come not to change but to fulfill the law, and instead took the place of the Passover lamb which was slaughtered and consumed for the forgiveness of sins, i.e the lamb of God which was the purpose of the Passover and as reiterated in the Gospel of John.

      If you do any mental gymnastics on this such as it's symbolic, we don't need it, Christ fulfilled it. Then why do we need Baptism? Why do we need worship or scripture? Christ fulfilled it all? right?

      Well if we need any of that then the Passover Law is still also in effect and more so as it was a requirement set down by God the Father himself! No where in scripture is this requirement removed as it was for dietary restrictions etc

      Denies this most ancient and sacred of Gods laws and calls himself Christian. I would laugh were I not sad for his soul.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don’t adhere to any religion, they are all unholy. I believe in one true God who has doesn’t require worship of any kind, the kingdom is already inside of you, nothing external needed. If anything I read the Kolbrin Bible for inspiration and to renew my faith. That Bible doesn’t have any silly rules about worshipping God outside of avoiding sin and keeping the body pure.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ah so you just found a way to justify yourself. So you are a heretic. That's fine mate. see how that works out for you

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        If I may help you, my friend: in the event there is a test, so to speak, you'll be awarded zero points for "correctness of belief", even if your beliefs happen to be correct.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Points for correct belief is Christianity in a nutshell anon, you might as well just say Christianity is wrong.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            The deeply unfortunate consequences of Irenaeus and the subsequent many councils on nothing substantial. While perhaps not wrong per se: irrelevant and misguided.
            >So, what did you do?
            >I thought that sola fide was right and I insulted people over it
            >What?
            >I thought that it was the case really hard and I made sure to think that almost every day!
            >Uh...
            >There were also people who thought it was true, but they thought it was true in a slightly different way than me and I sure told them off!
            In keeping with my own reasoning, the charge I make is not that this is "wrong", but that they'd better not give this kind of lip in a situation in which they will very much not be able to arrogantly intimidate anyone.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            You are still making assumptions about the afterlife in your example. The Christcuck sincerely believes upon death that he will come to Jesus who will check for his name in the book of life, see that it is there and admit him to heaven. To be in the book of life one must walk the "straight and narrow" road, have accepted Jesus as lord and savior (none come to the father but through him), and several other criteria depending of sub-cult. These distinctions are not trivial to Abrahamics but life (eternal) and death (hell). OP naively thinks the similarities of his and his uncles beliefs mean they could find common ground. To Abrahamics the differences are more important. At this very moment two of the Abrahamic sub-cults are slaughtering each other while the whole world watches.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Speaking of slaughter: why would the names of murderers be in this book of life at all? Murder is very anti-life, one would think.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you accept Christ all sin (including murder) is forgiven. If Christ is not accepted you go to hell for eternity regardless of your moral character as everyone is born a sinner.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Of course the two sub-cults fighting right now have their own excuses. Suffice to say God is on their side and everything they do is ordained while everything their enemy does is the work of the devil.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Choosing the right belief system doesn't matter? I wonder why the old and new testament are full of belief requirements then. Hmm? Can you work it out,?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >They literally overlooked a giant pedo scandal
      Just like the iskcon leaders. They just say they're "investigating" when a case of rape or aggravated rape occurs

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sorry I won’t let this go. Such a total psyop against the Catholic Church it blows my mind. The frequency of Catholic pedo priests is lower than the frequency of pedos in general. Meaning, if you meet a Catholic priest, by and large they are less likely to be a pedophile when compared with a random person on the street. It’s just the media and whoever else runs the psyop putting a spotlight on Catholic priests that make you think Catholic priests are pedos on a higher rate than the average person.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        I know many peers from Catholic backgrounds who have had to deal with CSA in the family, I call bullshit on your claim.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          a lot of people are abused as kids, by order of frequency it's family, then it's teachers, then it's stuff like religious offices. it's true the overall organizational rate is lower compared to other stuff but that doesn't mean that any amount isn't unacceptably high.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Right, but in these cases it's predominantly family of a Catholic background doing it to children in said Catholic family. There are also high profile cases of it happening in the church as an organization, but I think there's something about the culture as a whole that lends more to CSA happening both inside and outside the home.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Well, I also have many peers with Catholic backgrounds, myself included. I know of exactly ZERO cases. You see? My anecdotal experience is just as valid as yours. That’s why you have to go with overall _statistics_, which is what I was originally referring to.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sorry I will let this go. Even though its such a total psyop against the Catholic Church it blows my mind. The frequency of Catholic pedo priests is lower than the frequency of pedos in general. Meaning, if you meet a Catholic priest, by and large they are less likely to be a pedophile when compared with a random person on the street. It’s just the media and whoever else runs the psyop putting a spotlight on Catholic priests that make you think Catholic priests are pedos on a higher rate than the average person.

  6. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Read the second coming of christ by paramhansa yogananda it draws all sorts of parallels between krishna and christ and may help you find middle ground. As someone who was raised christian it's what sparked my interest in hinduism

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I personally don't think my uncle will listen.
      He is too caught up in the familial relationship. He sees you as younger, he the elder. there is no changing this in his head, and so he will always see any difference as you being wrong and he needing to correct you. Your uncle MAY be able to listen, but not to you.

      Steven Rosen's books would be better for a Vaishnava.

  7. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >what are you doing here? the nearest elementary school is 10 km away.
    /thread

  8. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >First thing: I'm a Hare Krishna devotee,
    oh, OP is moronic

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      t. uncle

  9. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're both wrong

  10. 8 months ago
    Anonymous
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      Anonymous
  11. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Oh, for frick's sake... you're a curry catholic and your uncle's a hare christian. You two dolts are the same dolt arguing with himself.

  12. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Curse him.

  13. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Iskconites are just abrahamics under a different name

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      What an idiotic take. Abrahamism and Dvaita Vedanta are fundamentally different on just about everything except for the claim of a Supreme Person.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Have you seen how they behave and their generic sentiment towards general hinduism outside Prabhupada's wrong translation of the Bhagvad Geeta

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Bad practicioners exist around the world.
          It doesnt make it any less stupid to think the philosophy, cosmology, or praxis are anything alike.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Said translations and brainwashing makes them bad practitioners. Whats the point in believing in different philosophy cosmology if they have a disdaining attitude towards the rest of the religion like abrahamics do towards each other

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, brainwashing. your brain is filthy with ignorance and material conceptions. Only a fool doesnt want a clean brain.
            And if you want I will school you in translations as well. As much of the problems with ISKCON, the translations are not the issue. I can easily show you how they line up with the previous bhasyas of the Dvaita traditions.

            The ONLY thing you have is that you dont like them. You're allowed to. But you sound more and more stupid the more you equate that with Abrahamism.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >And if you want I will school you in translations as well
            Please do so Vishnu Das. Tell me why Prabhupada's translation, in just about every single translation converts Buddhi (wisdom) to bhakti. Instead of wisdom like the bhagwat geeta preaches, they are translating it to devotion. Bhagwat geeta says a person should seek refuge in wisdom and do karma which prahupada translates to devotion so the cult has more good goys who do nothing. Verses

            The first links are prahupada's translation. Every verse has changed wisdom and action to devotion. They make it seem like Krishna only talks about devotion whereas he talks about karmayog and mindset. Im not against Bhakti but this is clearly misguiding people to join their organization and do nothing else.

            https://vedabase.io/en/library/bg/2/50/
            https://vedabase.io/en/library/bg/3/3/

            https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/2/verse/50
            https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/3/verse/3

            >The ONLY thing you have is that you dont like them
            The problem are the translations and how they see other dieties

            Other than thats its a massive money funnel to euro countries.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >in just about every single translation converts Buddhi (wisdom) to bhakti.
            Because Madhvacarya did so. Have you not read Madhvacarya's bhasyas? What is more wise than bhakti?
            But this is a lie, it is not every, it is when the wisdom being mentioned is devotional service.
            And most often, the translation is of the word yoga, specifically karma yoga, it is very rare for the word buddhi to be translated as devotional service.
            So already you have put forward a deceptive version of what you want to say

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            I particularly like how apparently Prabhupada was trying top deceive by showing clearly and openly how and why he was translating words.
            So important was it to make sure no one saw through this, that he would instruct his disciples to learn sanskrit and understand the verses as thoroughly as possible.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >it is very rare for the word buddhi to be translated as devotional service. The wisdom being mentioned is devotional service.
            And how exactly do you find out Buddhi is being mentioned as devotional service? Buddhi means wisdom and It is wrongly translated as bhakti. The original verses do not mention Buddhi as devotion even for context.
            >it is very rare for the word buddhi to be translated as devotional service.
            Read the entire chapter just about every single time karma and Buddhi are translated as bhakti.
            >So already you have put forward a deceptive version of what you want to say
            What exactly is deceptive about showing iskcon is twisting words.

            I particularly like how apparently Prabhupada was trying top deceive by showing clearly and openly how and why he was translating words.
            So important was it to make sure no one saw through this, that he would instruct his disciples to learn sanskrit and understand the verses as thoroughly as possible.

            >So you see this word that means "x", well it's not really x and it's actually "y". You have to be actually moronic to fall for this. In 2.50 the word Buddhi is twisted to be devotion, yoga and para Brahman are translated as Krishna in other verses.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >how exactly do you find out Buddhi is being mentioned as devotional service?
            How do you know what the word "run" means?
            It is not wrong to translate Buddhist as devotional service - not "bhakti" as you keep deceptively saying, bhakti is not a translation - when the context of the discussion is about the best wisdom. The only way you can't see the context is if you have already decided to not listen to the teachings of Krishna.
            >just about every single time karma and Buddhi are translated as bhakti
            Lie.
            https://vedabase.io/en/search/synonyms/?original=Buddhi&original_choices=contains&translation=
            >What exactly is deceptive
            By claiming the people transparently showing how and why translations were done were somehow trying to hide something.
            And again through exaggeration and through complete lack of knowing anything about Dvaita.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It is not wrong to translate Buddhist as devotional service
            "Intelligence is actually devotional acts bro just trust the context"
            Sur
            >not "bhakti" as you keep deceptively saying
            Bhakti = devotion. In the Hindi/indic translations it says bhakti, in English ones it says devotion and wrongly so
            >The only way you can't see the context is if you have already decided to not listen to the teachings of Krishna.
            I decide to not listen to blatant adulteration of Krishna teachings
            >https://vedabase.io/en/search/synonyms/?original=Buddhi&original_choices=contains&translation=
            Very Interesting, now post a case where Buddhi/action is translated as wisdom and not devotion in prabhupadas bhagwad geeta
            >By claiming the people transparently showing how and why translations were done were somehow trying to hide something.
            I don't want to hear any kind of cope for translating action to devotion. If it was muh transparency they would add it in a commentary. In links in posted here

            >And if you want I will school you in translations as well
            Please do so Vishnu Das. Tell me why Prabhupada's translation, in just about every single translation converts Buddhi (wisdom) to bhakti. Instead of wisdom like the bhagwat geeta preaches, they are translating it to devotion. Bhagwat geeta says a person should seek refuge in wisdom and do karma which prahupada translates to devotion so the cult has more good goys who do nothing. Verses

            The first links are prahupada's translation. Every verse has changed wisdom and action to devotion. They make it seem like Krishna only talks about devotion whereas he talks about karmayog and mindset. Im not against Bhakti but this is clearly misguiding people to join their organization and do nothing else.

            https://vedabase.io/en/library/bg/2/50/
            https://vedabase.io/en/library/bg/3/3/

            https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/2/verse/50
            https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/3/verse/3

            >The ONLY thing you have is that you dont like them
            The problem are the translations and how they see other dieties

            Other than thats its a massive money funnel to euro countries.

            (and more verses) hey clearly mistranslate the word. Buddhi, karma yog to devotion to fool people who don't bother learning Sanskrit. They could have chose to interpret it as whatever they wanted in a side commentary but they have clearly jumbled with the words which is going against the scriptures. I am not against anyone interpreting any verse however they like, but iskcon makes it clear that it's not an interpretation rather literally what words mean.
            >Muh context
            Please point me a verse where Shree Krishna hints at wisdom being devotion that does not rely on false translation. Or don't bother doing that and stop arguing if you can't understand at least a few of the individual Sanskrit words

  14. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just be frank with him when you get there or call him the night before and say “Look, Uncle, while sometimes I can appreciate our little debates on religion, can we please not discuss religion AT ALL during the funeral and wake? I’m obviously torn up, as I’m sure you are too, but I just cannot handle adding a religion debate to it. Thank you…”

  15. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have a Hindu acquaintance who says the best way to piss off people of other religions is to say their central figure is an incarnation of Krishna. Buddha?
    Incarnation of Krishna. Mohammed? Incarnation of Krishna. Jesus? Incarnation of Krishna.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is he a pajeet by any chance

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes he was.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          drop his name

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Depeche

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            I assume hes south indian

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Think so he runs a meme page so it isn't his real name.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            wtf u dont know his real name?

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            He is a funny guy I know online anon.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Checked. Yea hence why I said acquaintance in my first post. Couldn't really even say online buddy but he is hilarious and his story of pissing religious people off seemed relevant.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Is he religious himself?

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Agnostic I think. He was simply suggesting a troll tactic.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      There *was* a Vishnu incarnation as Buddha but He descended in the first thousand years or so of kali yuga. He is *NOT* the buddha of buddhism, Sidhartha Gautama, who was born centuries before Christ

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, he was.

  16. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://discadia.com/schizoid-arena/

  17. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    I cant imagine any conversation being a bigger waste of time than two religious people talking

    Seriously its inconceivable

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      I can top that by replying to your asinine post.

  18. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not paranormal

    Except all is from India all is one

  19. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Read the Sri Brahma Samhita.

  20. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    The truth is all religion are half correct. All religions are wrong. The truth is finding the righteous link.

  21. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Religion is about not being tricked. Keep avoiding traps and stop falling into them. Its a goddamn obstacle course. Life after life, it is an endless battle.

  22. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lean into it. It is a test. Walk through the fire. Break ties if u have to. No easy way out.

  23. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >For I am a wrathful god (Nahum 1:2-8)
    >I am a jealous god (Exodus 34:14)
    >You are allowed to have slaves and beat them to near-death (Ephesians 6:5–8)
    >You should allow guests in your home to rape your virginal daughter (Genesis 19:8)
    >Songs of Praise is a section dedicated entirely to pillaging, raping, destroying, and decimating civilizations that have wronged the israelites (Isaiah 12-16)
    >You cannot love God unless you hate your family (Luke 14:26)
    >If you worship a different god, you shall be murdered (Kings 10:18-27)
    >If you've never even heard of Jesus Christ or Christianity you will be cast out of heaven for eternity (Romans 1:20)
    >The israelites are allowed to kill and destroy others villages and to take their virginal daughters and forced them to be their wives (Judges 21)
    >The israelites are allowed to kill entire cities of men, women, and children and take their belongings and loot for themselves (Deuteronomy 3)
    >As part of a punishment for rebelling against god, murdering infants is a suitable punishment (Hosea 13:16)
    >In fact, killing the infants of your religious enemies as a whole is completely justified (Psalms 137:9)

  24. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Any tips or ideas?

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