"Consider how terrible men are with religion. Then consider what they would be like without it."

"Consider how terrible men are with religion. Then consider what they would be like without it."

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  1. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty much exactly the same. The secular man is still haunted by the same impulses, his subsequent guilt is just guided by a different kind of reckoning. Instead of facing God for his sins, he is left only with himself. There, and only there, can a true confession be made.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      The difference is that the secular man doesn't lie to himself, while the religious man does.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the secular man doesn't lie to himself
        He lies that he can be secular at all

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Being secular is very possible for intelligent people. Maybe that's why you struggle with it.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Being secular is very possible for intelligent people
            That's just being conceited about their own wisdom

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            But being sure about there being a God ISN'T conceited right? You fricking idiot.

            You asked for it, don’t complain.

            >An inverse relationship between religiousness/spirituality (R/S) and psychometric intelligence (IQ) is well-documented in previous literature. However, the studies that have examined group differences on IQ regarding R/S have limited generalizability. The present study contributed to the literature by evaluating IQ among participants identifying as differentially religious/spiritual (i.e., religious only, spiritual only, both religious and spiritual, or neither religious nor spiritual) and among those classified as either Christian/Catholic, Atheist, or Agnostic

            >IQ scores tended to be lowest (p < 0.001) for "religious only" participants (estimated marginal mean [EMM] = 93.0) and highest for "neither religious nor spiritual" participants (EMM = 103.7). Furthermore, IQ scores were significantly lower (ps < 0.001) for Christian/Catholic participants (EMM = 96.7) compared to both Atheist (EMM = 104.9) and Agnostic participants (EMM = 107.5)

            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34449007

            Now watch him cope. Oh look, he coped. What a surprise!

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >But being sure about there being a God ISN'T conceited right?
            Nope, it's just acknowledging fact
            >You fricking idiot.
            Atheist attempts show humility challenge: impossible

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            You may be on to something here. I recent study puts average Christian IQ at 96, (below average) while atheist IQ close to 106 and agnostic IQ is above 107.
            That 10 or more average IQ difference is going to translate into significant shortcomings in Christian problem solving and truth searching compared to your average secular man.
            There’s no way around it, you’re going to end up talking past and thinking above Christians on a regular basis, especially in regards to deeper, more abstract and complicated issues.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >studies say
            Source: I made it up

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            You asked for it, don’t complain.

            >An inverse relationship between religiousness/spirituality (R/S) and psychometric intelligence (IQ) is well-documented in previous literature. However, the studies that have examined group differences on IQ regarding R/S have limited generalizability. The present study contributed to the literature by evaluating IQ among participants identifying as differentially religious/spiritual (i.e., religious only, spiritual only, both religious and spiritual, or neither religious nor spiritual) and among those classified as either Christian/Catholic, Atheist, or Agnostic

            >IQ scores tended to be lowest (p < 0.001) for "religious only" participants (estimated marginal mean [EMM] = 93.0) and highest for "neither religious nor spiritual" participants (EMM = 103.7). Furthermore, IQ scores were significantly lower (ps < 0.001) for Christian/Catholic participants (EMM = 96.7) compared to both Atheist (EMM = 104.9) and Agnostic participants (EMM = 107.5)

            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34449007

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Rigged

            >Four hundred and thirty-two participants (M age = 37.9; 36% men) participated online via Amazon's Mechanical Turk as part of a larger study and completed a brief measure of IQ, a scale of religiousness and spirituality, and a demographics questionnaire.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well over 100 studies have been done over the past 100 years on religiosity and intelligence and this is in line with these results.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            And more people have become atheists in the last 50 years so those stats are no longer valid

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            That last study I posted is from 2022. Religious people are consistently less intelligent.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Based on a poll of 432 people online with no screening

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Based on over 100 studies over 100 years.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            One for year since the church declared them satanists heretics

            The sins of the father

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >100 years ago
            >atheists are a narrow group of academics
            >their IQ skews higher than the average
            >present day
            >atheists are now a large percentage of the general public
            >their IQ no longer represents a narrow demographic subset
            Studies that are no longer representative

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Was it Black person adjusted

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't disagree with you that Christians are generally less intelligent than atheists, but the question I have is why it matters.
            Are you implying that if a smart person believes something, it's more likely to be true? There's plenty of examples of atheists believing in stupid and ridiculous things, so that can't be the case. To be honest with you, smart people are usually the ones who are the most delusional. Dumb people can't tell the difference between truth and fiction, but smart people will rationalize themselves into positions that are obviously wrong. What I mean to say is, that intelligent people will argue with me about whether or not it's okay to burn babies alive. Dumb people never argue about that with me - in their head, killing babies = bad period. Maybe that's because they're incapable of thinking about it, but there is a benefit to having a large number of people incapable of rationalizing away terrible behavior.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Are you implying that if a smart person believes something, it's more likely to be true?
            I’m saying that if smart people tend to believe something, it’s going to be more likely to be correct.
            We’re working with averages here.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Appeal to authority

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Okay. Do you have any data to suggest that this is actually the case? What's your argument?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            …finding correct answers and problem solving is how intelligence is measured, literally how it’s defined and measured

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            IQ tests don't test that

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            That has nothing to do with what you said. Smart people believing something doesn't necessarily have anything to do with finding correct answers or problem solving. Do you seriously believe that intelligent people are correct about everything they believe? Use your brain.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't disagree with you that Christians are generally less intelligent than atheists
            I suppose 200 years ago atheists might have been the intelligensia but today the stereotypical atheist is a incel who faps to extreme porn.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      history teaches us that the religious man is capable of just as many terrible things, if not more, as secular man

      >consider what they would be like without it

      With religion you have the excuse of being a sinner for being awful
      Without religion you have no excuse and have to face responsibility

      BASED
      It feels so good to be an atheist Anglo CHAD

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just observe the atheists here. They are the lowest of the low. You don't have to imagine anything. You can see for yourself what is a world without religion. Their world. The world of the disbelievers who will end in hell.

  2. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. - Wisest man in history.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      But God forgives anything as long as you say you're sorry.
      What's so scary about that?

  3. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    history teaches us that the religious man is capable of just as many terrible things, if not more, as secular man

  4. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >consider what they would be like without it

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Back then they couldn't consider society without religion. They needed to put the fear of God into people so they'd act morally.

      Nowadays we can just use cameras and whatever. Some might say that's worse, and that can be argued for sure, but at least we know that God was never actually real.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's the other way around. You couldn't have society without religion. It is the bedrock of civilization, but once you have civilization, you can forget about it. Just like an actual foundation - you don't do maintenance on it, it just sits there at the bottom of your house, you maintain everything above it. But if the foundation of your house becomes unstable, that will become a problem for you. So now we have all these problems that we didn't have when the country was more religious. Mass shootings, drug overdoses, depression, suicide, loneliness. I'm not saying that people just magically become more violent and miserable when they are atheists, but there is certainly a correlation between a person's religious beliefs and their mental state. And the non-religious tend to be more mentally unstable, if the current trend of our civilization is literally anything to go by.
        Regarding your statement that we know God was never actually real, it stinks of this kind of insecurity that you would only see from a person who was unsure of themselves. The reality of the situation is that you want God to not be real, but you tell yourself that you know he isn't as kind of a way to give yourself a pat on the back.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          >You couldn't have society without religion.
          I don’t know any religious people and I live in one of the best places on earth, rich and safe.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Okay. So your country has no history of religious tradition?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Define "peaceful"

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not rioting and killing people in the streets because a QR code "says" Allah.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      People aren't peaceful because they're atheists, they're atheists because they live in peace. Why would you care about God if you are rich and have no problems? It literally makes no sense.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      now lets see the melanin content of those respective populations.

  5. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    With religion you have the excuse of being a sinner for being awful
    Without religion you have no excuse and have to face responsibility

  6. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    is he talking about his newest incarnation?

  7. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Based. This is exactly why I hate atheists more than theists even though I’m agnostic

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