Christians say Heaven is forever. Buddhists say it isn't. How am I supposed to find out who's right?

Christians say Heaven is forever.
Buddhists say it isn't.

How am I supposed to find out who's right?

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  1. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    by going to heaven r*tard

  2. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    This idea is called the argument from inconsistent revelations. It's one of the most damning arguments against the validity of all religions
    https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_inconsistent_revelations
    All religions say "we are the correct religion" and the followers just believe it seemingly without considering what it even means

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Thrice Greatest Hermes. Go ahead and try to dispell Hermeticism after reading all 3 volumes of that

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't need to read everything about it. It's a religion with supernatural elements. It claims to be compatible with all religions, but then you have other religions for example Christianity that would say its wrong and Christianity is the only true religion. Because it may claim to be the one true religion doesn't matter, they all claim to be. It's an unfalsifiable problem

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          then you didn't read the secrets. and if you had, you skimmed them and didnt take time with them. esoterica will fail EVERYONE who uses it for information rather than spiritual foothold

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      It is possible to deny a particular God, but the absolute God can no more be denied than He can be proved.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        not that anon, but the issue is morons take everything at pure blind face value because they haven't found the path to reading between the lines and feeling it out within themselves. so all hylics will see is a hylic understanding

  3. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    The pure land is forever.
    The "heavens" are just realms in the wheel of Samsara.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      OM AMI DEWA HRIH

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      you're moronic. no they arent. samsara is nothing but the physical realm and the coding that controls it. hindus and buddhists need to either acclimate to /x/ by actually reading to understand esoteric literature instead of cherry picking what they like and dislike from it after skimming through, or leave this site entirely. if you can't have good faith discussion you shouldn't be here.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        The Buddha said, “Constantly abiding in nirvāṇa is being fettered by nirvāṇa. Why? Because nirvāṇa is a benefit of one’s inherent awareness, and because the benefits of one’s inherent awareness are in nirvāṇa. Attaining nirvāṇa is realizing one’s inherent awareness. As one’s inherent awareness is by nature changeless, so too nirvāṇa is changeless. As one’s inherent awareness has neither birth nor death, so too nirvāṇa has neither birth nor death. Because nirvāṇa and one’s inherent awareness are no different, attaining nirvāṇa is no attainment. As attaining nirvāṇa is no attainment, how can one abide in it?
        “Good man, an enlightened person does not abide in nirvāṇa. Why not? Because one’s inherent awareness has no birth and is apart from one’s filthy afflictions. One’s inherent awareness has no death and is apart from the motion of entering nirvāṇa. Abiding on this wisdom ground, one’s mind abides in nothing. Free from entering and exiting, it enters amala consciousness.”
        Not Abiding Bodhisattva said, “Entering amala consciousness means that there is a place to enter. Entrance into this place means attainment.”
        The Buddha said, “Not so. Why not? As an analogy, a confused son possesses gold coins but does not know that he has them. He roams in the ten directions for fifty years, undergoing poverty and hardship. He has to beg for things to live a life of privation. When the father sees his son in such a plight, he says to him, ‘You have gold coins. Why do you not use them? Then you can get whatever you need in full.’ The son is awakened and sees his gold coins. With great joy in his heart, he declares that he has gotten gold coins. His father says, ‘Confused child, do not rejoice. The gold coins have always been yours. You did not get them. There is no reason to rejoice.’

        Vajra Samadhi Sutra

        • 6 months ago
          Poimander

          You surrender to the waterfall. I am the koi that swims above it, reaching the top by lying on the turtle's back. Throught following the turtle, I gain the knowledge of my true nature. Through gaining knowledge of my true nature, I gain the ability to control my reality. Through gaining the ability to control my reality, I become my true nature. Through becoming my true nature, I ascend beyond the Monad, and become the Monad, and the Monad of all Monads, and return to source. You choose helplessness. You think you are helpless to the nature, rather than choosing to become the nature. You will read this, and will not understand, because you cannot feel the nature within yourself and submit to its truth. You only feel the nature within yourself and think, "This is besides me." You have learned to release your Ego, but have not learned to become yourself. You think to yourself, "It is pointless to try." That is only because you limit your own capabilities. You are the one who lives 50 lives, looking in different places. Samsara eats you. You must read the Tibetan Book of the Dead. You must read the Egyptian Book of the Dead. You must read the Emerald Tablet. You must read the Corpus Hermeticum. You must read the Divine Pymander of Hermes Mercurius Trismegistus. You must read Thrice Greatest Hermes. You must read The Pyramid Texts. You must read I Ching. You must read Tao te Ching. You must read Bhagavad Gita. You must read The Ten Upanishads. You must truly feel an understanding of all of them, collectively. You must know where they connect, where they lie, and where they fall short. Only then will you be permitted by God to discuss this knowledge and not fall short of the only Truth.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            In English doc

  4. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just compare both belief systems and see what's more plausible (Christianity)

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Christianity doesn't even understand the basic fact of the reincarnation cycle. They're not to be taken seriously.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >he thinks Buddhism believes in reincarnation
        If there's no self, nothing can reincarnate.

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Fairly sure the Buddha spoke of past lives

        • 6 months ago
          Anonymous

          Karma and Consciousness can.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It is completely 100% plausible that a giant ring monster that can take the form of man made all of us by wiggling his dick and saying "pookie doo, I choose you".
      I really hope you realize how fricking stupid you sound. There's more of a chance that we're all organisms and bacteria living on turd made by a giant (to us) alien being.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Abrahamism is so low on the spiritualism hierarchy you might as well just be an atheist

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous
  5. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >supposed to
    Who's gonna tell him?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Could be you, I guess.
      Go ahead and tell him

  6. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christians exist within the matrix. Their eternity is “smaller” than other eternities. World of Warcraft is an eternity, for example.
    Buddhists exist outside of the matrix.
    They want their own paradise worth living for.
    Both are correct.
    Different pipelines for the same school.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >World of Warcraft is an eternity, for example.
      I don't think those servers are going to stay up forever though?

  7. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    jesus is the antichrist and buddha is a false light
    'heaven' is reflected on the world measured via 'average request' (subconscious desire)
    meaning some c**ts hijacked our world and made their version of heaven... but it looks really shit because they were ((morons))

  8. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    They're both right, depending on if you want to stay there or come back here (if Earth invites you again, that is).

  9. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >60ish+ years of action determining one’s fate for the next several quintillion years
    >a natural cycle of death and rebirth.

    Neither is “right”, no religion is right. But Christians are insane materialist who can’t deal impermanence so they make up the idea of a new game+ where they all dance and sing around their perpetually angry sky daddy.

  10. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Buddhists are right, as time lapses forward and you being being tied to cronological time sense all and everything in safety will lose the meaning once it had and you will actually die

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      buddhism is just diet hinduism which is just diet hermeticism

  11. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Die
    >Become unchained by your physical body
    >Yet your corporeal actions brought you great stress
    >Reincarnate to try to fix things
    >Die

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Learn the worldly secrets
      >Post them on Oyish
      >"Everyone actually has a soul, reincarnation is real, God is real, Hell is fake, we must come to know God so we can return to him"
      >Christians call you Satanic
      >Fedoras call you Christian
      >Buddhists complain like babies
      >Die
      >You're saved at least

  12. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    you just dont know and you will never know your whole life AND IM NOT GOING TO TELL YOU

  13. 6 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm confident there was more to each of their statements.

      Even if there wasn't this isn't convincing to me. I can say whatever I want. I could say the same thing as Jesus did. Per the logic in the image I would be equally as valid possibly more. Jesus ascended to Heaven (theologically) but I'm alive and not in a grave at the time of this post.
      Thinking about it further if we are taking what each of their followers believe Mohammed is in jannah(heaven), Confucious resides in the way (dao) which is also reffered to the heavens, Buddha is in Pairinirvana.

      This image seems like a smug gotcha instead of spirtual development and discussion.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Jesus
      >rose from the dead
      Hm, does that mean Jesus is technically a zombie?

  14. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    study the CTMU

  15. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    They're both right.
    There is no "heaven." Heaven is actually the real world. You are a soul and you actually live in a world that exists outside of linear time. In the real world, time doesn't flow. Everything is right now, forever, into eternity. Past and present are fused.

    In this way, heaven is eternal.
    Now, surely you--low or midling soul mid incarnation--will decide to incarnate again because the experience you're having on the other side right now mirrors middle school. You're taking fun classes such as "Compassion 101," where you get to live life as a prostitute, or a drug addict, or an abuse victim, or an autist on Oyish. Or maybe you're taking "pride 101," where you decided to be born rich and hot just to see what you do with it at your current level of soul development.
    You will choose to incarnate again for your own good. In this way, heaven is non eternal and does not last "forever." Also, it does. Some day, you will stop incarnating because you will have better shit to do in heaven, i.e. the real world.

  16. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Study NDEs, they are actually solid proof of life after death, because anyone can have them if they come close to and survive death. And they are so extremely real to those who have them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U00ibBGZp7o

    As this NDEr described their NDE:

    >"Now, what heaven looks like? 'OMG' doesn't even describe how beautiful this place is. Heaven is, there are no words. I mean, I could sit here and just not say anything and just cry, and that would be what heaven looks like. There are mountains of beauty, there are things in this realm, you can't even describe how beautiful this place is. There are colors you can't even imagine, there are sounds you can't even create. There are beauties upon this world that you think are beautiful here. Amplify it over there times a billion. There are, it's incredibly beautiful, there's no words to describe how beautiful this place is, it's incredibly gorgeous."

    And importantly, even dogmatic skeptics have this reaction, because the NDE convinces everyone:
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist

    So anyone would be convinced if they had an NDE, we already know this, no one's skepticism is unique.

    >muh brain chemistry

    Neuroscientists are convinced by NDEs too. What do skeptics think they understand that neuroscientists do not?

    >muh DMT causes it

    Scientifically refuted already, and NDErs who have done DMT too say that the DMT experience, while alien and really cool and fun, was still underwhelming to the point of being a joke when compared to the NDE.

  17. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    uhh die??

  18. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    What should I do to die without heaven or hell?
    Im so fricking tired

  19. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    "Heaven" is a temporary state into the introduction of astral life. Astral life is forever.
    Some planes of astral life may be described as a heaven or a hell, but that's not all there is.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Astral life is not the highest plane of existence, not by a long shot.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        I say "astral life" to encompass all non-physical reality. There are an infinite amount of planes, systems, and worlds within it.

  20. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Heaven can be emulated on Earth by walking alongside Jesus Christ.

    Acting as Christ would, detaching yourself from the falseness of the world, and knowing that you are an eternal being will get you an emulation layer that I am sure compares not even one iota to that of the real Heaven.

  21. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    >How am I supposed to find out
    Become a Buddha, simple

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Walk in Christ.

  22. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    hey guys i thought about death a lot. So I thiunk about a practice. what I should do after the death? Advices? I think it will be in the next week

  23. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing is forever, the only constant is something that can't be defined, the nothingness, ain, the void or whatever you wanna call it, so it doesn't really count.

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Correct and from this void of pure potentiality, of order and entropy, creation and destruction, (meaning anything can "literally" happen), the magical play of Samsara arises.

  24. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Heaven = the Absolute/Nirvana = ceased identification with the self, i.e. cessation of birth and death = no time.

    We need to stop fighting our brothers and sisters and see the similarities of our paths.

  25. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    nothing is time. time doesn't exist but heaven exist for eternity (inside spiritually)

    and Heaven isn't going to be about sitting on a cloud playing a harp. you will have duties however you will enjoy work so much you will praise the lord. it will be like a drug. No drudgery just pure enlightment and joy. no sickness and no more death. just continues on and on and you will be so happy to have a sense of purpose without anykind of obstacles of rejection.

    Buddhists is like mystisim and evil its about everyone being God but the Devil too but about being a God more than Satan. to fight obsticals. it's pretty fricked up. I wish my girlfriend would convert to Christianity but that being said, they're a 0 threat. they're all about peace. so there is no sense of fear being around them as long as they're practicing their shit.

  26. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Jews and Muslims are a threat. Especially the Turkish convert israelites. they're all about destroying everything so they can be the ones to profit from repairs. the Muslims are pure shit. they're evil and it is their duty to convert everyone eventually.. once they have the majority of population they will kill anyone who doesn't convert. there is no "Moderate" muslims like there is israelites and "Christians" (But a moderate Christian is not a true Christian because God is set in his ways..

    Frick all of you who have gone to church with a Rainbow flag and accept transgenderism as normal. it's fricked up. you can be this and go to church but you go for change. you don't go to run the church. the churches are no longer the House of God.

    Pray at home. prepare for the worse. it's not just going to suddenly change. and if it does it will change back over decades like a fashion design changes and retrogrades back.

  27. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    go there and find out

  28. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    You will never find out if anything is right. Fold into that uncertainty & find him while the internet still exists.

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