Christian re-union

If the churches are to reunite I think the biggest stumbling block are saints that anathematized one another that are venerated in each church.
How will they reconcile this?

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  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don’t think they can. Same reason OO and Palamites haven’t reunified. I suppose they could pretend there is no contradiction and stick their fingers in their ears. People already do that with Palamas and Pope Leo.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Likely won't ever. Or if they do, it'll come at serious cost and likely even more schism. Bartholomew and Francis are more liberal, while the rest of the Cardinals and Patriarchs are far more doctrinal than the heads of each church, so there's talks at the top, but not in the body, which, despite what we believe, is ultimately the deciding factor on whether or not the authority of the Pope/EC is actually respected. I think we're beginning to see a slow mending of the rift between East and West, but we probably won't see unification in our, or even to the third or fouth generation.
      Just my two cents.

      >OP, the biggest stumbling block to reconciliation is worldly politics
      100% this. The Patriarchs aren't going to kneel to the Pope, and the Pope is not going to accept a swarm of "equals". It's some shameful shit.

      These

      Basically the Anabaptists were right.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why do you call them OO but call EO as Palamites?
      Call them Monophysites then

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because there is still some orthodox Christian theology in the OO churches. There isn’t really anything orthodox about palamite theology.
        >Call them Monophysites then
        Miaphysite, if you don’t know that *opinion instantly ignored*

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          I know they call themselves miaphysite.
          But they consider Monophysite an insult just as we Orthodox consider Palamite to be an insult

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Unsurprisingly most sides have something they consider an insult. The OO used to call the Chalcedonians Nestorians (in reverse of the Monophysite claim). However they generally try to be more charitable now, though I have heard them pull it out when they get annoyed enough with being call Monophysite.
            The interesting thing with EOs is Palamite theology is non-optional and must be affirmed, whereas the Catholic Church for example doesn’t require people to affirm Thomastic theology.

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Likely won't ever. Or if they do, it'll come at serious cost and likely even more schism. Bartholomew and Francis are more liberal, while the rest of the Cardinals and Patriarchs are far more doctrinal than the heads of each church, so there's talks at the top, but not in the body, which, despite what we believe, is ultimately the deciding factor on whether or not the authority of the Pope/EC is actually respected. I think we're beginning to see a slow mending of the rift between East and West, but we probably won't see unification in our, or even to the third or fouth generation.
    Just my two cents.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      OP, the biggest stumbling block to reconciliation is worldly politics

      and it always has been

      the endless quibbling over theological minutae are just a cover for this fact, a distraction from the thought that profane authorities have a vested interest in seeing that a united Christendom never comes to fruition because it would mean an end to their iron grip over the people

      It doesn't help that the Orthodox are already in a schism that won't end until Russia conquers Greece or NATO bombs the shit out of Russia, ON TOP of the Catholic Church either cutting itself in half or becoming hyper gay race communist over Der Synodaler Weg.

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    OP, the biggest stumbling block to reconciliation is worldly politics

    and it always has been

    the endless quibbling over theological minutae are just a cover for this fact, a distraction from the thought that profane authorities have a vested interest in seeing that a united Christendom never comes to fruition because it would mean an end to their iron grip over the people

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >OP, the biggest stumbling block to reconciliation is worldly politics
      100% this. The Patriarchs aren't going to kneel to the Pope, and the Pope is not going to accept a swarm of "equals". It's some shameful shit.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's not a coincidence the world has been on a spiritual downward spiral since the end of the schism. West and East need each other

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >since the end of the schism
        *since the schism

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        What are you talking about? The downward spiral only started at least 200 years ago.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's not a coincidence the world has been on a spiritual downward spiral since the end of the schism. West and East need each other

      >since the end of the schism
      *since the schism

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    They can't, The Catholic church can say they were wrong and become Orthodox but both have made exclusive claims that to become one church the other would have to concede and admit to being wrong for 1000 years

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    lol, they didn't unite when the religion was popular, now it's fricking DEAD haha, most Christians will be African in 2100.

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because Orthodox churches are slaves to secular powers. Why would their masters let go of the leash

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >What is the Papal States (aka modern Vatican)
      Vatican II rejects confessional states btw

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    they will have to agree to disagree and that Christians have bigger problems than these "differences"

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