Challenge to Christians

If you want to prove that you have free will, then act perfectly. Don’t sin. The Bible says no temptation is too great, after all. So be perfect as Jesus commanded you. You’re free, aren’t you? What’s so hard? Just use your free will, like Jesus did. Until you can do this, then it makes more sense that you’re just a deterministic organism following whatever desire happens to be strongest in the moment.

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    > Just use your free will, like Jesus did

    That’s where you’re wrong. Jesus did not have free will.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      So… humans have more free will than Jesus, and we sin a lot more. How the frick does being free imply sin? It should be the opposite. Sin is slavery to the flesh, not freedom. I guess even God the Father doesn’t have free will, and the human with the most and strongest sinful desires are the most free. If only I were a gay pedo necrophliac rapist murderer, then I would be more free..

  2. 5 months ago
    Ο Σολιταίρ

    either you're 100% perfectly free or you're 100% deterministic?
    is that what you're arguing?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >0% free will
      >0.1% free will
      >50% free will
      >99.9% free will
      >100% free will

      1) What are the exact differences between these amounts of free will?
      2) How much free will do we have? Did Jesus have 0%, or 100%?
      3) If we have the same amount of free will that Jesus had, then why can’t a SINGLE (1) Christian be perfect like him? If we don’t have the same amount, then why didn’t God create us otherwise?

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    You should try listening to the "edgy fedora people" for once, because they're the only people who are actually going to be honest with you.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      the fedoras are the ones preaching free will and libertarianism though.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        The frick? Most fedoras are compatibilists, it's the religious who are shilling libertarianist free will.

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >So be perfect as Jesus commanded you
    You can't. No one can possibly be aware of all the consequences of their actions before they commit them, therefore no one can live their entire life without ever committing a sin inadvertently. This is the meaning of original sin.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >morality is consequentialist!
      Into the trash it goes.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      so we're... le doomed from the start? isn't that a bit unfair?

  5. 5 months ago
    Hyper Calvinist Anon - Chainsaw Enthusiast

    I bathe in the blood of my victims. Is that normal?

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I can't use my free will to freely be perfect because.....I JUST CAN'T OKAY??!

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    ?????

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Meds!

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, mediterranean here, how may I help you.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Daily Reminder: Native Britons are genetically mediterranean and therefore not white.

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >challenging others
    You gotta challenge yourself first. Fight the spiritual Crusade.

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Op actually refuted free will in christianity; based

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >get thrown in prison
    >Since you have free will just leave lol
    This is what you sound like.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Who is forcing you to not be perfect?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yaldabaoth

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      then why did God command us to be perfect? And why does the Bible say God always gives you an opportunity to overcome temptation? How come no one is able to be perfect then?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because immorality objectively results in worse conditions for ourselves and everyone involved?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          God is the one who created us to be imperfect in the first place. Apparently this anon

          >get thrown in prison
          >Since you have free will just leave lol
          This is what you sound like.

          thinks not sinning is as difficult as escaping prison. Why did God rig the game from the start? For what purpose? Why can’t everyone just act like Jesus? And do we not have free will in heaven? If so, then how do people stop sinning there? If not, then paradise is a place without free will, so what’s the fricking point of having it here? God clearly wants sin and hell to exist. Eating the magical fruit doesn’t suddenly make you carnal. It’s God who designed us to be carnal. Just like every other animal on this planet (but they didn’t have to eat a fruit to be carnal, we admit that God simply made them like that, but not us 😉

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Christians can never answer why you need certain inclinations to have free will, they'd rather pretend that the fatty who feels like he needs to eat 4000 calories a day is more free than the normie who feels satiated with 2000.

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Compatibilism already exists OP, you're a couple centuries late to the debate.

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