>"Catholics are wrong because writings by the church fathers show other bishops were considered more important than the bishop of Rome."

>"Catholics are wrong because writings by the church fathers show other bishops were considered more important than the bishop of Rome."
>*doesn't follow any of those other bishops either*

Why do Protestants argue like this?

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  1. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    They know that if they admit Rome had any power whatsoever, their entire ideology would crumble.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      We do know Rome had power. But the Roman bishop is not to have absolute power.

      t. Anglican

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you read the procession of ante nicene writings from the very start
      You’d see that the Bishop of Rome had no special privileges
      Over time, disputes between local independent churches had to call on other, larger churches for mediation
      These larger churches, with the advent of the Roman State Church, subsumed the smaller ones. The orthodox stopped at metropolitans and patriarchs
      The Romans, well, they just figured the patriarch of Rome was “da biggest ‘un”

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Bishop of Rome had no special privileges
        Except Jesus gave the keys to Peter specifically and prayed the he would not fail and told him to lead the flock.

  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >catholic church, orthodox church, ethiopian, armenian, assyrian, saint thomas christians. apostolic succession, priesthood. all that stuff is fake and made up. jim bob's baptist church founded in 1990 is the real 1st century christiantiy.

    • 8 months ago
      Chud Anon

      If you read the procession of ante nicene writings from the very start
      You’d see that the Bishop of Rome had no special privileges
      Over time, disputes between local independent churches had to call on other, larger churches for mediation
      These larger churches, with the advent of the Roman State Church, subsumed the smaller ones. The orthodox stopped at metropolitans and patriarchs
      The Romans, well, they just figured the patriarch of Rome was “da biggest ‘un”

      During the 1st century AD, all bishops/elders were on more or less equal footing, as they had the same exact role ministering their congregations, as part of a plurality of elders, unless in rare cases, only one was able to serve a local Christian community. A slight exception to the general equality of that time period was possibly if an elder was working somewhere highly regarded, such as Jerusalem or Rome. The high estimations towards notable cities such as these contributed to the development of the logical development to Ignatius' monarchical bishop, the eventually extant offices of patriarch/pope.

      So where is your list of an unbroken lineage of churches which follow in succession from John the Baptist? Why do most scholars believe it began in the 17th Century shortly after the invention of Protestantism? Why do Baptists hold 99% the same beliefs as other Protestants? Where are the ancient writings of early Baptists, and why did no one mention them for 1600 years?

      Chapter and verse for any of this in the Bible???

  3. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Replace Catholic with Orthodox

  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    During the 1st century AD, all bishops/elders were on more or less equal footing, as they had the same exact role ministering their congregations, as part of a plurality of elders, unless in rare cases, only one was able to serve a local Christian community. A slight exception to the general equality of that time period was possibly if an elder was working somewhere highly regarded, such as Jerusalem or Rome. The high estimations towards notable cities such as these contributed to the development of the logical development to Ignatius' monarchical bishop, the eventually extant offices of patriarch/pope.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      okay. so who are the bishops/elders today?

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Orthodox biahops

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        For the 1st century AD style church organization, you should look into the congregationalist polity of government. I recommend the Church of Christ and Plymouth Brethren denominations.

        • 8 months ago
          JWanon

          1st century Christianity was centralized with a governing body who sent letters to guide, reprove and instruct congregations that were lead by a body of elders. Every baptized Christian was a minister.

          It wasn't until the centuries that followed that there has been a distrinction between priests, the bishop and the laity.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >priesthood of all believers

          • 8 months ago
            JWanon

            There is only one priest, which is Jesus

        • 8 months ago
          Dirk

          Churches of Christ and Plymouth brethren don't conform to historic congregationalist polity. Congregationalism is more than autonomy of the local church.

      • 8 months ago
        Dirk

        That's like asking "who are the mayors and sheriffs today?"
        Those are church offices

  5. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Christ established Jehovah's Witnesses in 33 AD
    Good one.

  6. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    So there were no bishops of Rome prior to 325? Fascinating. Tell me more.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_popes

    • 8 months ago
      JWanon

      This has been debunked

      http://www.biblefriendlybooks.com/2016/07/evils-of-religion-part-4-lie-about.html?m=1

      [...]
      >Christ established Jehovah's Witnesses in 33 AD
      Good one.

      JWs are the same church as the one founded in the 1st century

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >JWs are the same church as the one founded in the 1st century
        Ok but being old doesn't = good

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Jehovah's Witnesses were founded in 1881.

        • 8 months ago
          JWanon

          No they weren't, 1881 is the foundation of the Watchtower which is a printing company

          [...]
          ??????

          >JWs are the same church as the one founded in the 1st century
          Ok but being old doesn't = good

          JWs are the original church. Jesus prophecied that for a long time after the death of the apostles, imitation christians (the weed) would outgrow true Christians (the wheat)

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            JW like all Protcucks have zero history. You're the shitstain of Christendom.

          • 8 months ago
            JWanon

            The history of Jehovah's Witnesses started 2000 years ago with the death and resurrection of the Son of God

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >IF I KEEP REPEATING THIS LIKE AN AUTIST IT MIGHT COME TRUE. I AM VERY INTELLIGENT.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous
          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >JWs are the original church
            Which original church though there were plenty of weird ideas even in the first century

  7. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    ??????

  8. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >older equals more truer
    Why aren’t you israeli if you want to be logically consistent. Protestants don’t make the mistake that antiquity means true doctrine has been maintained.

  9. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    https://thecloisterblog.com/2023/01/23/the-apostolic-lineage-of-the-acna/amp/

  10. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Catholic Church didn't exist until the Council of Nicea.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      How did they form a council if the Church didn't exist?

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        The point is that Christianity was a largely decentralized movement that didn't directly intervene in politics until Constantine coopted and corrupted Christianity by making it the state religion.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Christianity was a largely decentralized movement
          Where is the proof of that?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      If Peter wasn't the first bishop of Rome. Who was? What name on this list?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_popes

  11. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Baptist is wrong here
    Our church is older than Catholics, we were there already with Jesus. John the Baptist was the oldest known Baptist church member, it's in the Bible

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      So where is your list of an unbroken lineage of churches which follow in succession from John the Baptist? Why do most scholars believe it began in the 17th Century shortly after the invention of Protestantism? Why do Baptists hold 99% the same beliefs as other Protestants? Where are the ancient writings of early Baptists, and why did no one mention them for 1600 years?

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        It is an unbroken lineage. Most scholars are Papist-adjacent so they want to downplay Baptist history. It didn't stop Protestants from taking Baptist teachings though since they knew they were true, but they also corrupted them since they were under the demons of Rome for so long. Luther tried to be Baptist but he just didn't understand it because of his Papist ways. We had to go mostly underground until Papal authority was destroyed and a lot of our writings were destroyed by the Pope in those centuries. You should read Novatian and Montanus, they were early Baptists who tried to fight against Rome and its Satanic practices

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Posts a bunch of red dots
          >This is somehow an unbroken line

  12. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Orthodox church is conveniently missing from your little chart

  13. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why do Protestants argue like this?

    It's not just protestants. The intellectual disingenuous, those people who utterly lack true integrity, all act and argue like this.

  14. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >thinking that big 'enry did anything besides say English bishops wouldn't follow the pope anymore
    That doesn't really qualify as founding a new church.

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