Can God be smaller than God?

John 14:28

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  1. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    If x = (Infinity) + 1
    and
    y = (Infinity) + 2
    Then
    x < y
    and
    (Infinity) = (Infinity)

    • 6 months ago
      JWanon

      The weight of scriptural evidence supports subordinationism, the Son's total submission to the Father, and God's paternal supremacy over the Son in every aspect.

      We acknowledge the Son's high rank at God's right hand, but the Father is greater than the Son in all things.

      The Father, the Son, and Spirit are essential in creation and salvation, but that in itself does not confirm that the three are each co-equal or co-eternal.

      God is only explicitly identified as "one" in the Bible, and the doctrine of the Trinity, which literally means a set of three, ascribes a co-equal threeness to the being of the infinite God that is not scriptural.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The weight of scriptural evidence supports subordinationism
        yes
        you're hung up on the false notion that Christ as God cannot subordinate his will to God the Father.
        There is nothing comprehended in the nature of God which would RESTRAIN him from subordinating.

        • 6 months ago
          JWanon

          God the Father is uniquely Almighty God.
          Only the Father is without beginning, the Father is greater than the Son in all things, and only the Father is worthy of "sacred service" (latria).

          Whereas the Son had a beginning, and was brought forth at a certain point, as "the firstborn of all creation".

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            The Bible clearly refers to his resurrection as his birth in reference to "the firstborn of all creation"
            Just because you don't hear it preached doesn't make it not true.
            >And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead...
            >But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
            >For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

          • 6 months ago
            JWanon

            He is called “the firstborn of all creation,” for he was God’s first creation. (Colossians 1:15)

            There is something else that makes this Son special. He is the “only-begotten Son.” (John 3:16) This means that Jesus is the only one directly created by God. Jesus is also the only one whom God used when He created all other things. (Colossians 1:16)

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Jesus' body is a creation.
            Jesus is God putting upon himself Creation.

            >The word BECAME FLESH and dwelt among us
            so either way, his body is a creation. And he "WAS GOD" as John 1 says.

          • 6 months ago
            JWanon

            The statement “the Word was with God” indicates that two separate gods are discussed in the verse.

            It is not possible for the Word to be “with God” and at the same time be God Almighty.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It is not possible for the Word to be “with God” and at the same time be God Almighty.
            Says you. Unluckily for you, nothing you say can limit God.
            >I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
            >I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
            >These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive...
            >These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass...

          • 6 months ago
            JWanon

            “The Alpha and the Omega” refers to Jehovah God, the Almighty in all three times that this term occurs in the Bible.—Revelation 1:8; 21:6; 22:13. Jesus never used the title Alpha and Omega.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Who was the guy with brass skin and eyes like a flame of fire?
            The Bible says it was the "Son of God"
            and that very same fiery guy who appeared to John said
            >"I am Alpha and Omega"

          • 6 months ago
            JWanon

            Careful study reveals different people speaking at different times throughout Revelation, including God, Jesus and an angel.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah it says who's talking, bro.
            It's Jesus talking when he says "I am Alpha and Omega, the Almighty"
            John 1 outright said he's God anyways so who am I kidding? If Jesus said "I am God almighty" you wouldn't believe it. You'd just say it was The Father speaking. And you DONT believe it, because Revelation says it!

          • 6 months ago
            JWanon

            In what verse does Jesus say "I am Alpha and Omega, the Almighty" ?

            John 1 says Jesus is a god, not God Almighty. The word 'god' can describe several characters in the Bible. 'God' basically means "powerful one".

            It can be used of angels (Psalm 8:5), prophets (Exodus 7:1), human judges (Psalm 82:6), kings (Psalm 45:6) and even Satan!(2 Corinthians 4:4)

            Moses was called god because God gave him the power to accomplish miracles in front of pharaoh.
            Judges were called gods because they had authority over Israel.

            Jesus is called god because he is a mighty being, who was granted rulership in heaven and on earth.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >John 1 says Jesus is a god, not God Almighty.
            no it doesn't
            taken as literally as possible;
            John 1 says
            >"THE Word was THE God" (nominative case for both "Word" and "God" indicates that these are the same linguistic entity)

            >In what verse does Jesus say "I am Alpha and Omega, the Almighty" ?
            I showed you. You would have to make the asinine assertion that MID PHRASE Christ is switching from giving his own words to the Father's words throughout Revelation to claim that Jesus is not talking in Revelation 1:8.
            i.e.
            >I am the first and the last (Father), which* was dead (Christ), and is alive...

            If the Watchtower Club or w/e is wrong, it's OKAY, you don't have to have a nice day, bro. Sunk cost fallacy is a fallacy* for a reason.

          • 6 months ago
            JWanon

            >"THE Word was THE God" (nominative case for both "Word" and "God" indicates that these are the same linguistic entity)

            The Translator’s New Testament says regarding this absence of the article: “In effect it gives an adjectival quality to the second use of Theos (God) so that the phrase means ‘The Word was divine.’”

            Scholar Jason David BeDuhn states that the absence of the definite article makes the two occurrences of “God” “as different as ‘a god’ is from ‘God’ in English.” He adds: “In John 1:1, the Word is not the one-and-only God, but is a god, or divine being.”—Truth in Translation: Accuracy and Bias in English Translations of the New Testament, pages 115, 122, and 123.

            Why did you lie ?

            >I am the first and the last (Father), which* was dead (Christ), and is alive...

            Where are the words Alpha and Omega here ?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

            you're saying that Christ would be breaking mid phrase and switching between whose words he's delivering.
            >alpha and omega
            would be The Father to you
            while
            >the beginning and the ending
            would be Christ's
            and
            >which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
            is the Father's words.

          • 6 months ago
            JWanon

            New International Version
            “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

            English Standard Version
            “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

            Berean Standard Bible
            “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, who is and was and is to come—the Almighty.

            Berean Literal Bible
            "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says Lord God, the One being, and who was, and who is coming, the Almighty.

            Where did you get "the beginning and the ending saith the Lord" from ?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >ἐγώ εἰμι τὸ α καὶ τὸ ω ἀρχὴ καὶ τέλος, λέγει ὁ κύριος ὁ ὢν καὶ ὁ ἦν καὶ ὁ ἐρχόμενος ὁ παντοκράτωρ
            Doesn't say "Lord God"
            It says "Lord"
            whatever, they can be wrong all they want I suppose.
            Anyways...
            >the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord
            Okay so God the father is the "beginning and the ending"?
            is he also
            >the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
            ?
            And if the first and the last, is he
            >the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive
            ?
            The Bible says that he who "was dead and is alive", is the SAME as "the first and the last," who is the SAME as "the beginning and the ending," who is the SAME as "Alpha and Omega"
            do you see?

          • 6 months ago
            JWanon

            >Okay so God the father is the "beginning and the ending"?

            But again, Rveelation 1:8 doesn't have this expression, so where do you get it from ?

            >who is the SAME as "the beginning and the ending," who is the SAME as "Alpha and Omega"

            Are you talking about Revelation 1:8 ? It doesn't have this expression

            New International Version
            “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

            English Standard Version
            “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

            Berean Standard Bible
            “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, who is and was and is to come—the Almighty.

            Berean Literal Bible
            "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says Lord God, the One being, and who was, and who is coming, the Almighty.

            Do you need me to quote other translations ?

            Ok:

            NASB 1977
            “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

            Legacy Standard Bible
            “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

            Amplified Bible
            “I am the Alpha and the Omega [the Beginning and the End],” says the Lord God, “Who is [existing forever] and Who was [continually existing in the past] and Who is to come, the Almighty [the Omnipotent, the Ruler of all].”

            Christian Standard Bible
            “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “the one who is, who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Who is he who "was dead and is alive"?
            is he the same as "the first and the last?"
            is HE the same as "the beginning and the ending?"
            is HE the same as "Alpha and Omega"?

            O learned one, this should not be difficult.
            Basic reading comprehension should tell you that these descriptors ALL refer to the same person, Jesus Christ.

          • 6 months ago
            JWanon

            >Who is he who "was dead and is alive"?

            Jesus

            >is he the same as "the first and the last?"

            In what verse ?

            >is HE the same as "the beginning and the ending?"

            In what verse ?

            >is HE the same as "Alpha and Omega"?

            No, the Alpha and Omega is Jehovah

            >Basic reading comprehension should tell you that these descriptors ALL refer to the same person, Jesus Christ.

            In what verse does Jesus say he is the Alpha and Omega ?

            We have established that Jehovah is the one speaking in Revelation 1:8.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive
            Is he who "was dead and is alive" the same person as "the first and the last"
            ?

          • 6 months ago
            JWanon

            I
            You are not willing to tell me the verse you are quoting for some reason.

            That's Revelation 2:8. Yes, here Jesus is speaking. The term “the First [pro’tos, not alpha] and the Last [e’skha·tos, not omega]” in this context shows that the one referred to died and later returned to life.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Okay, so, "The first and the last" is Jesus?
            Okay, settled, now;
            Revelation 22:13
            >I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
            Is Jesus (the first and the last) also "the beginning and the end"
            ?

          • 6 months ago
            JWanon

            The Bible applies this term both to Jehovah God and to his Son, Jesus, but with different meanings.

            Jehovah being “the first and the last” has the same meaning as “the Alpha and the Omega.” He is the everlasting true God; besides him, there is no other.

            But the term “the First [pro’tos, not alpha] and the Last [e’skha·tos, not omega]” in Revelation 1:17, 18 and 2:8 apply to Jesus, not Jehovah.

            In these verses, the context shows that the one referred to died and later returned to life. These verses cannot refer to God because he has never died. (Habakkuk 1:12)

            Jesus was the first human to be resurrected to immortal spirit life in heaven, where he now lives “forever and ever.” (Revelation 1:18; Colossians 1:18) Jesus is the one who performs all resurrections thereafter. (John 6:40, 44) Therefore, he was the last one to be resurrected directly by Jehovah. (Acts 10:40) In this sense, Jesus can properly be called “the First and the Last.”

            Thus, “the Alpha and the Omega” at Revelation 22:13 can be identified as the same Person given this title elsewhere in Revelation—Jehovah God.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            Unironically how can you live with yourself doing such mental gymnastics?
            No honest reading of Revelation could ever lead you to these conclusions.
            Did you ever even read Revelation before becoming a JW?

          • 6 months ago
            JWanon

            Revelation 22:12-15 was spoken by God.

            Jehovah is "the first and the last" because of his being "from everlasting to everlasting". (Psalm 90:2)

            Jesus was not declaring himself to be God by using those words at Revelation 1:17 and 2:8.

            The context of those two verses show what was meant. Jesus is called "the firstborn from the dead" in 1 Corinthians, just as Jesus himslf said at Revelaion 2:8: " . . . who became dead and came to life again" and at Revelation 1:18: " . . . and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever."

            Paul said that Jesus was made "first in all things" by his Father. Jesus was "the firstborn of all creation," and then will become the last in "the end" when he reconciles all things to God. (Colossians 1:13-20; 1 Corinthians 15:24-28)

            At Mark 9:35, Jesus said, "If anyone wants to be first, he must be last of all and minister of all."; he was also the "last Adam". (1 Corinthians 15:45)

            So Jesus was qualified to say that he is the first and the last in a DIFFERENT way.

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Jesus' body is a creation
            Isn't this heretical?

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            How did he be born
            Die
            Get resurrected?
            I mean the literal body of his advent, not his humanness.
            The body that was able to make him the
            >first begotten of the dead
            Christ the same yesterday today and forever, of course

          • 6 months ago
            Anonymous

            I get your point, Jesus is eternal and uncreated but his body was created, right? But created by whom? The Father?

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      It was Jesus that said that he is smaller than the Father, not me

      • 6 months ago
        JWanon

        The only-begotten Son never even considered trying to be equal to his Father.

        The Bible clearly teaches that the Father is greater than the Son. (John 14:28; 1 Corinthians 11:3) Jehovah alone is “God Almighty.” (Genesis 17:1) Therefore, he has no equal.

  2. 6 months ago
    JWanon

    Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jesus is God. Instead, the Bible repeatedly refers to Jesus as the "son of God".

    Because the Bible says that Jesus' "origin is from of old, from ancient days" (Micah 5:2), the Bible shows Jesus was created by God. Jesus is:
    • the "only-begotten" Son of God. (John 1:14; 3:16, 18; 1 John 4:9)
    • "the first-born of all creation". (Colossians 1:15)
    • "the beginning of God's creation". (Revelation 3:14)

    The Bible shows that Jesus is subordinate to God: "The head of the Christ is God." (1 Corinthians 11:3)
    Jesus himself said: "The Father is greater than I." (John 14:28)

  3. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine thinking a sack of hydrated chemicals can even come close to imagining anything remotely true about such a thing as God.

  4. 6 months ago
    Chud Anon

    your israeli god isn't real and he won't save you

    • 6 months ago
      JWanon

      Who created the universe ?
      Who resurrected Jesus ?

      • 6 months ago
        Chud Anon

        Who killed the Easter Bunny?

        • 6 months ago
          JWanon

          The easter bunny is not grounded in reality.

          The existence of the universe is, as well as the resurrection of Jesus.

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