Can anyone explain the origin of the theology autism so prevalent in Christianity?

Can anyone explain the origin of the theology autism so prevalent in Christianity? Christians will go to war and damn each other to eternal hellfire over if Christ has one nature or two, if the holy spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son, if each person of the Trinity are different modes, if Christ is really present in the Eucharist, if Jesus Christ was begotten by the Father, etc. Where did this obsession with theology come from and are all these differences legitimate or are they as I suspect just pretexts and ways for rulers to influence the population and gain more power?

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  1. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    It started with Marcionism which is the ultimate threat to Catholicism, since it dejudaizes Christianity. Marcionism teaches Jesus was a 100% spirit with no israeli blood. Catholics were desperate to make him israeli.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Jesus was flesh, you doubter.

  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Arius opened the door to men feeling a little more equal with Christ. When they are anything but. It's especially why it appealed more to emperors and tangentially, warlords like Muhammad.
    It might seem like autism, but there are practical effects to bad theology.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Isn't there a strong emphasis in all branches of Christianity that Jesus is human as well as God? I think it's a stretch to say that believing Jesus was begotten by the Father means people think they're anywhere near equal to him. If you thought that then you might as well say Jesus wasn't human at all, since that would really show we are not equal to him.

      Because back when people used to actually strongly believe in their religion and where church and state power were often intertwined, having another church teach some other interpretation of Gods word was basically the equivalent of damning those people to Hell, which made you an agent of Satan. Getting church doctrine correct was super important, and deviation from accepted theology was a capital crime for the sake of saving the souls around you from also being damned.

      This seems too altruistic though. I don't think rulers actually gave a frick whether people were being damned to hell or not. Rulers will convert to a religion if it suits them and they'll rally their people to go to war with another religion or heretical sect if it suits them as well.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I don't think rulers actually gave a frick whether people were being damned to hell or not.
        Heresies tore realms apart. Letting contrary doctrine ferment is how you get events like the Iconoclast riots in Byzantium. Christian kings had a vested interest in keeping good relations with the church. They were often brought up to be pious, taught that it’s their job to protect their subjects from threats. This included threats to their souls which the church would demand they stomp out with great prejudice.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Heresies tore realms apart. Letting contrary doctrine ferment is how you get events like the Iconoclast riots in Byzantium.
          Right, these are political in nature though
          >Christian kings had a vested interest in keeping good relations with the church.
          The question is which church and how much influence do they have over it?
          >They were often brought up to be pious
          >This included threats to their souls
          I don't think rulers are as pious as you think they are. Maybe some were but a lot of it is just a front for a good reputation.

          >Where did this obsession with theology come from
          From the sheer amount of heresies that people tried over the years. The terms persons, essence, energies, natures etc. were all unnecessary before heretics started making up their own interpretations of the story, replacing or skipping over fundamental points and concluding incorrect practice from it.

          >just pretexts and ways for rulers to influence the population and gain more power?
          How does the idea that there are three coeternal persons grant anyone any power?

          >How does the idea that there are three coeternal persons grant anyone any power?
          "Look, this neighboring lord doesn't believe in the Trinity! We have oust him from power and replace him with someone favorable to us because uhhhhh... people's souls are in danger!"

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Look, this neighboring lord...
            So it doesn't grant power. It could just be used as a tool of division, like pretty much every single fact or idea on this planet... I must say, not a very satisfying explanation of why terms kept popping up and then stopped popping up around the time power was necessary the most.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >So it doesn't grant power.
            moron, replacing a political figure with one favorable to you is gaining power.
            >It could just be used as a tool of division, like pretty much every single fact or idea on this planet...
            Yeah that's my point.
            >terms kept popping up and then stopped popping up around the time power was necessary the most.
            What?

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            > replacing a political figure
            It doesn't replace a figure. Again, it at most grants an excuse for division. Like literally everything else. Saying theology serves political power is like saying creation of the croissant grants political power. It might have. But it's completely besides the point.
            kept popping up and then stopped popping up around the time power was necessary the most.
            >What?
            If inducing theological vocabulary granted power, the Church would keep doing it. Especially now when it started losing power.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It doesn't replace a figure
            It's the pretext to replace the political figure.
            >Saying theology serves political power is like saying creation of the croissant grants political power
            What is Caesaropapism? What is Integralism? What is the divine right of kings?
            >If inducing theological vocabulary granted power, the Church would keep doing it.
            The church still does this, but it only works when people care about religion and it plays a significant role in government, which for the most part isn't the case in the modern world.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It's the pretext to replace the political figure.
            As is anything.
            >What is Caesaropapism?
            >What is Integralism?
            >What is the divine right of kings?
            Christian flavor of the way humans have lived for millenia anyway.
            >The church still does this
            What's the latest?
            >role in government
            The Catholic Church has the power to subvert elections in half of Europe.

            What's the latest theological term they produced to take hold of that power?

  3. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because back when people used to actually strongly believe in their religion and where church and state power were often intertwined, having another church teach some other interpretation of Gods word was basically the equivalent of damning those people to Hell, which made you an agent of Satan. Getting church doctrine correct was super important, and deviation from accepted theology was a capital crime for the sake of saving the souls around you from also being damned.

  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Minor disagreements over theological matters have always been tolerated within the Church, that's not what heresy is. Real heresy has always arrived in the form of a revolt against the existing political and ecclesiastical order. Hardly surprising, since the Devil is the father of lies.

  5. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    What's funny is that 99% of Christian theology is just autistic arguments about the nature of the Trinity.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Creed says what it says. Augustine was a subversive who repeatedly contradicted earlier Christians.

      Christians: The Nicene Creed
      Augustine: Well actually, Filioque

      Christians: Jesus appeared to Abraham in Mamre
      Augustine: Well actually, no He didn't

      Christians: Babies do not need to be baptizdd
      Augustine: Well actually, they do or they go to hell

  6. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does any Christian really argue if Jesus Christ was begotten by the Father? I thought it was a consensus that he is.

  7. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Where did this obsession with theology come from
    From the sheer amount of heresies that people tried over the years. The terms persons, essence, energies, natures etc. were all unnecessary before heretics started making up their own interpretations of the story, replacing or skipping over fundamental points and concluding incorrect practice from it.

    >just pretexts and ways for rulers to influence the population and gain more power?
    How does the idea that there are three coeternal persons grant anyone any power?

  8. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Since the Great Constantinian Revolution overthrew the reactionary pagan senatorial class, the Roman Empire has achieved a progressive class character as the vanguard of the spread of the Gospel via the establishment of the Dictatorship of the Theocrats with a mandate from the lay masses. The City of God must defend the revolution and develop the productive-spiritual forces from a backward pagan slave-based mode of production into an actually existing Christian feudal mode of production until we reach the New Jerusalem and the church whithers away with the coming of the Last Judgement. Uncritical support for the Senate and the People of Rome in their struggle against the heretical Arian-Germanic social imperialists, their Hunnic-Sassanid lackeys and the fifth column of Donatist-Pelagian-Gnostic revisionist heresy! Uphold Niceneanism-Caesaropapism-Jesus Christ Thought!

  9. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    The whole point of christianity was that the israelites didn't properly understand their own scriptures and weren't properly practicing their morals and teachings and were disconnected from the God who literally made a covenant with them.
    Therefore, proper belief is important.

  10. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Well its simple. Christkeks coddle the weak and the inferior so naturally autism is naturally tolerated by such a feeble belief system like mercy for the weak and useless. Without these dirt religions we'd advance as a civilization and there would no autistic freaks allowed to exist since the moment something like a genetic disorder comes up, it's bye-bye deformed baby fetus.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      How was middle school?

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