Calvinist Lit

I’ve noticed that Protestants, specifically Reformed Protestants, are the only real Christians who seem to take Christ and the Bible seriously nowadays. What makes them tick? What is the essential Oyish to understand Calvinism and Reformed doctrine?

R.C. Sproul’s book ‘What is Reformed Theology’ has been quite interesting

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  1. 5 months ago
    aeneas

    Are Calvinists interested in neo-nazism or do they find it unchristian?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Any Christian into neo-Nazism is a LARPer

      • 5 months ago
        aeneas

        I would argue that practising Christendom today is LARPing but thats fine.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Christendom is only a LARP for those who do so without true faith in God

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Which, to be fair, is a lot of the TradLARPers

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous
        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Perhaps many are. Even Jesus pointed to those who are righteous externally, but like a tomb within. The love will grow cold before His return. Many of the young right-wing men who flock to Catholicism or Orthodoxy today are LARPers. They’re hungry for God, but are invested in the externals and not the true meat of the Gospel.

          I'm currently reading this in French. Quite impressed with the integrity of the man.

          This looks like a good one. I’ll have to check it out.

          I’ve got my eye on this huge tome, it looks pretty interesting

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            This book gives a very clear overview of reformed protestantism, especially on the relation between the political structure, belief, and how the church worked in practice.

            Philip Benedict, Andrew Spicer, Angela Vanhaelen, Jérémie Foa, Simon Groenveld, Benjamin Kaplan, Fred van Lieburg, Judith Pollman, and Joke Spaans are good authors for this topic.

            t. did his master mainly on Dutch reformed protestantism

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            High churches help us to understand and connect with Christ through symbols.
            Getting rid of it means taking away the opportunity for many people to find Christ.

            To me, after coming to thus conclusion, Calvinism is satanic.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >High churches help us to understand and connect with Christ through symbols.

            How?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            > High churches help us to understand and connect with Christ through symbols
            On the contrary, Reformed Christianity helps us understand and connect with Christ through true symbols *given by Christ*. We partake of His body and blood in the bread and the wine, we immerse people in the type of His death in baptism, we learn of Christ in the God-breathed Scriptures, and we love our neighbor created in the image of God. These are symbols and signs directly given by God and authorized in His word. The rituals of Romanism merely obscure the true nature of these things under a mass of idols, vain superstitions and traditions of men, even if the remnants persist

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Do you think that reformed churches don't utilize any of such symbols? Visit one of their services.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why do so many people on Oyish, specifically on Oyish, have such a hard time with the idea that some people literally believe in the Resurrection? You guys are constantly posting threads about actual magic and actual paganism, but the idea that Jesus really did rise from the dead is too much of a stretch?

          • 5 months ago
            aeneas

            im not a mage nor a pagan

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      the other way around for sure, all of the animejugend is Calvinist

      • 5 months ago
        aeneas

        if i was a christian id be orthodox but im neither neo-nazi nor christian

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Any Christian into neo-Nazism is a LARPer

      Calvinists are idiots. Just ask them how they feel about Augustine.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        ?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Augustine was one of the worst. He persecuted Christians who rightly believed Mary and Joseph had sex and had children after Jesus was born.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Just a complete idiot. He based this teaching on a Psalm of David when he was being persecured by King Saul. He essentially said David symbolizes Christians and King Saul sumbolizes Judaism. The correct interpretation is that David symbolizes Elect Christians and King Saul symbolizes backslidden/blind/heretical Christians. Both Saul and David were saved, while israelites are just heathen

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Augustine is one of the great church fathers. Everyone admits this

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          You are just ignorant.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm currently reading this in French. Quite impressed with the integrity of the man.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Calvinist lit
    >Nothing matters because all is fate
    Wow I can only imagine the limitless richness of these works.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      The conclusion is not that nothing matters, it’s that only God matters. He is sovereign, absolute, perfect, and everything in reality exists from His will, and decree, and nothing in the heavens and the earth escapes His providence, and everything created is a mirror for His glory.

      God decreed from eternity that He would redeem some of humanity after the Fall wholly gratuitously, while He would allow and permit the rest to justly be condemned for their sins.

      Only Calvinism offers a completely God-centered Gospel that takes His nature seriously, and doesn’t shy away from the verses about predestination and only those whom the Father gives Christ coming to Christ.

      Of course though, I shouldn’t even call it Calvinism. Gregory of Rimini, Gottschalk of Orbais, Augustine, Ratramnus, etc. all taught aspects of the same thing Calvin did.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        no, Calvinism is self-defeating and even destroys the meaning of God through its dogma. God exists as nothing but a force of substance, creation and perpetuation, in Calvinism, morality has literally no basis or meaning under it, which means all punishments become arbitrary (although Calvinists are still big fans of punishment, they justify it through bullshit predestination doctrines). They use ceremonialism and piety rituals to trick themselves into avoiding the direct theological consequences of what they believe, namely, that nothing matters, all human efforts toward good or really anything at all, are futile, and God is just a blind program executing its scripts.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          > morality has literally no basis or meaning under it, which means all punishments become arbitrary
          “But our God is in heaven; He does whatever He pleases.” (Psalm 115:3)

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            that's not what that means

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Daniel 4:35 corroborates Psalm 115
            “all the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, “What have you done””

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            again that is not what any of that means.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Jesuit obscurantism

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            no. those verses are referring to the preconditions of reality, both the material world and our own initial circumstances. God does as he wills with these, and we cannot appeal to him to change them, or argue against them. We can, and are charged with, using our wills, abilities, decisions in life, to do what we will, with these circumstances. Whether we choose good or ill determines much of how our lives turn out, and determines how our lives end. A compatibilism between fate ("predestination") and freedom. The point is, don't blame God for what happens, its pointless because he's God, it won't change, blame yourself for what you've done with it. Calvinists don't believe anything can ever be "done with it." Thus they miss the entire point of religion and become a flock of moronic robots.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            What distinguishes "our wills" from "the preconditions of reality"? Logically, if God does what he pleases with the latter, he would also do what the pleases with the former.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >no, Calvinism is self-defeating and even destroys the meaning of God through its dogma. God exists as nothing but a force of substance, creation and perpetuation, in Calvinism, morality has literally no basis or meaning under it, which means all punishments become arbitrary (although Calvinists are still big fans of punishment, they justify it through bullshit predestination doctrines)

          Yes. Hence its superposition with Gnosticism, this fatal excess of orthodoxy is the very Christian advent.

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's literally only because they're scared of the notion of being reprobate "before the foundation of the world", so they try to "prove" that they're saved by showing how "good" they are, all the while holding on to the belief that anyone who isn't set in their faith yet
    (and in many cases anyone who doesn't hold to their specific view of scripture) is reprobate (which totally looks good when you're trying to evangelize).
    Moreover, they have an (unwarranted) degree of intellectual snobbery because they believe Calvin had the key to reading the Bible and copied from his example by having a tradition of systematic theology textbooks (which in reality largely consists in looking for their buzzword verses which don't make sense to view from a Reformed lens in context).
    They believe in a false gospel which places their salvation not on the merit of Christ but whether or not they were elect before Christ even came into the world.
    There are non-reformed Protestants who take Christ and the Bible seriously, you just have to do more looking around since the Reformed view is fairly popular, especially on the internet where most pastors who become celebrities are Reformed Baptists.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I would also recommend this youtube channel (BTF) for helping you to see the gigantic dumpster fire that is reformed/calvinist theology and hopefully move beyond systematic theology in general and towards Christ.

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Calvinism summed up in a song

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >this thread
    Calvinism always makes midwits seethe

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >0 book recommended

    true grit, gilead series
    anything by Marilynne Robinson really

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Read Calvin’s letter to Cardinal Sadoleto.

    > You, in the first place, touch upon justification by faith, the first and keenest subject of controversy between us. Is this a knotty and useless question? Wherever the knowledge of it is taken away, the glory of Christ is extinguished, religion abolished, the Church destroyed, and the hope of salvation utterly overthrown. That doctrine, then, though of the highest moment, we maintain that you have nefariously effaced from the memory of men. Our books are filled with convincing proofs of this fact, and the gross ignorance of this doctrine, which even still continues in all your churches, declares that our complaint is by no means ill founded. But you very maliciously stir up prejudice against us, alleging that, by attributing every thing to faith, we leave no room for works.

    https://www.monergism.com/john-calvins-letter-cardinal-sadoleto-1539

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