Atheists be like. Only things we can materially verify are real. Why?

Atheists be like
Only things we can materially verify are real.
Why? Well they're the only things we can materially verify.
Do these tards realize they follow a circular epistemology?

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  1. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christians be like
    Worship my israeli God or burn in magic lava for all eternity.
    Why? Because of porn and trannies.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Worship my israeli God or burn in magic lava for all eternity.
      >Why? Because of porn and trannies.

      Trangress against God
      Gets punished

      Seems logically to me

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        How can someone make an image like that and not realize that they're evil?

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Punishing evil is evil
          You're the evil one, dodo

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            A being that punishes people that he created wrong for all eternity is evil. Christianity is worse than HP Lovecraft, while his eldritch horrors are largely indifferent to humanity Yahweh/Jehova is actively malicious and hateful to everything.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >be given free will
            >do something evil and do not make amends for it
            >"NOOO GDD, YOU MADE ME WRONG SO I HAVE ZERO BLAME YOU HAVE TO LET ME INTO HEAVEN!!!"

            you're just saying you have no free will then, which is just pathetic.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            You better not be a Calvinist

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Look, if God didn't want me to do stuff. He wouldn't have chosen to create a world with me in it, knowing everything I will do

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            that's the whole point of free will though.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Sure.
            What I'm getting at is, it doesn't make sense to say anything I do is wrong (wrong, being that which goes against the will of God)
            If God didn't want me to do the stuff he know I will do, he wouldn't have created a world with me in it.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            why do you think you *will* do that stuff?
            just don't if you know that God doesn't approve.
            You *can* do that stuff, but if you don't repent you go to Hell. God respects your choices.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            It doesn't really matter why I do it, I'm fine with saying it's my fault - even if God is the ultimate cause. Maybe God got a superpower to avoid blame?
            If God didn't want stuff to happen, he wouldn't have created a world were he knows it will happen.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I'm fine with saying it's my fault
            Ok, then you are going to hell. That is the consequences of your actions, and if you accept them, then why not?

            >Maybe God got a superpower to avoid blame?
            Why blame the Creator? If a great place you made for other people gets ruined by those people, it's not your fault, it's theirs. Otherwise you are saying free will doesn't exist.

            >If God didn't want stuff to happen, he wouldn't have created a world were he knows it will happen.
            Again, that wouldn't contain free will. If they simply obey because you said so, they aren't free actors, they're mindless puppets.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Why blame the Creator?
            I can only give analogies were some people would agree that humans in similar positions would be blameworthy
            You're free to assert that blame doesn't work that way

            I'm a psychic and know the future, I know that if I have a son, he will kill you.
            I chose to have a son, he grows up, then kills you.
            Am I (at least somewhat) blameworthy for your death?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, because you are assuming you know how God sees things. God isn't human, we can't possibly comprehend his view.
            In his eyes, it could also very likely he sees all possible futures. In many of them, the child follows the way of God and is a decent human. Maybe in one possible future, he kills you. This is free will. God sees all, but he does not control (even though he can, he does not, because he respects his creation)

            >that wouldn't contain free will. If they simply obey because you said so, they aren't free actors, they're mindless puppets.
            Irrelevant, not what I'm talking about. I never mentioned free will, or things relating to free will, afaik

            I don't understand what kind of thing you think I proposed, that doesn't have free will

            >if God didn't want me to juggle, he shouldn't have created spheres, because then I will make balls and start juggling
            God doesn't make a world in which it will happen, but he makes people who can, through their own will (which God has granted us). Murder doesn't happen if people choose not to murder. You are implying there is a single course of events in the Universe, predetermined and that God set it up that way. But that refutes free will. God granted us free will, and thus our fates are not predetermined. Other things in the universe follow a course of consequences, but humans are different because of our connection to God.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            You could have just told me you reject that God knows the future

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >that wouldn't contain free will. If they simply obey because you said so, they aren't free actors, they're mindless puppets.
            Irrelevant, not what I'm talking about. I never mentioned free will, or things relating to free will, afaik

            I don't understand what kind of thing you think I proposed, that doesn't have free will

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            And those who associate others with Allah say, "If Allah had willed, we would not have worshipped anything other than Him, neither we nor our fathers, nor would we have forbidden anything through other than Him." Thus did those do before them. So is there upon the messengers except [the duty of] clear notification?

            false analogy

            >Im bad
            >Allah if real would not create bad
            >ergo Allah if real would not create me

            2nd premise is wrong and ambiguous

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Those are not the premises I suppose at all
            >I'm bad
            Didn't I explicitly reject this?
            Bad being that which goes against the will of God.
            But God created willed for a world with me in it, ergo; I'm not bad.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Had your Lord so willed ˹O Prophet˺, all ˹people˺ on earth would have certainly believed, every single one of them! Would you then force people to become believers?

            And those who associate others with Allah say, "If Allah had willed, we would not have worshipped anything other than Him, neither we nor our fathers, nor would we have forbidden anything through other than Him." Thus did those do before them. So is there upon the messengers except [the duty of] clear notification?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, I've always said Abrahamism is cosmic horror.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            You are moronic for presupposing that that is evil while you cant even say whats evil

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >torture, murder, slavery and genocide isn't sinful
            >But trannies are
            Nice "pro-life morality" you've got there. Christians ought to be rounded up and put in camps.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >murder and genocide is sinful
            What is not sinful is what God commanded wisely, Jihad has superior set of rules to the geneva conventions and political power is also through brute force, by which the truth may be established, this is far superior to what the beloved communism of atheists would give you

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >if god real why i dont like it

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >God is real BECAUSE I don't like it
            Literally got things in the wrong order. You are begging the question.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Do you know what that means even?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            All op is saying is how intuitively wrong Christian morality is, is part of the case against the Christian god. And your argument is essentially the fact that he doesn't like the Christian god, means he exists. Its fricking moronic!

            Gods existence is axiomatic, the universes isnt

            Not the skyisraelite thoughever

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Does God, creator, designer,giver of life, first and life, knower of all things, exist? Irrespective of scripture? it would be nice if we could calmly consider

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            I think so. I think we can safely rule out any of the mainstream religions as describing him.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            But we are sure he exists, what would God, who is knowing and mighty and wise want from us?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not anything, necessarily. It could be the same as what John Conway wanted out of The Game of Life. But even if he wants something from us, once again, I think we can rule out penis flaps.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            To me it is obvious, because he does not benefit in anyway, by gaining knowledge or might or anything added to his essence, that creating the creation is to establish something in relation to him, but what would that relationship and establishment be, and for what cause?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why are you asking me what should happen next in your fanfic?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            if you dont want to think about it thats on you then

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Also, how does it benefit people in hell to burn forever? The relationship is clearly predatory.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The relationship is clearly predatory.
            >ZOMG god is a sexual predator!

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Its just a name for one of the 5 types of ecological relationships. It means one party is harmed while the other gains something. I anticipated this sort of moronation.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's still one of the dumbest things I have ever read.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Sounds like a (You) problem

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, and when you ask that question it's effectively asking whether or not Goku could exist without it being hyperbole. Just because fantastical things and ideas exist in humans brains that doesn't make them real. Look how much people think the supernatural world exists, some people who are questionable on god even believe in spirits or ghosts. Same with believing aliens have visited earth. How come every other tale can be dismissed as fiction, tooth fairy, santa, boogeyman, the old gods, yet this one remains? There is nothing to distinguish this from any other story except people believing it could be true. So even removing the scripture doesn't change anything, it's a pointless thought.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >its okay to punish your son for not brushing his teeth by pulling them all out with pliers

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Evil according to who? You're arbitrary standards or some wishy wash baseless humanism made by atheists to cope for the fact that they have no source for morality?
          Despite the muh rational logical person larp atheists are only capable of arguing from emotion

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Christian morality doesn't even exist. There are no standards in the Bible, you can verse mine to argue almost any position.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >NOOOOOOOO! YOU CAN'T JUST EAT THE HECKIN' WHOLESOME PUPPER AND KOT!
            Where is that in the Bible?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nowhere. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with eating any animal (Man is not an animal btw)

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            humans are animanls however

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Okay, then why does seeing a dog being eaten evoke the same visceral response in us as child abuse?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Christians be like
      Only things magical sky israelite says are real
      Why? Because... they just are okay!?!?

      so, if I don't submit to your rules, I burn forever after I die, right?
      have you any evidence that supports it?

      The topic of thread was epistemology and you gays had no argument to support your materialist worldview so you're trying to change the topic to ethics and afterlife. Atheists are truly intellectual cripples.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not a materialist, I just don't believe in your middle eastern storm god.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't get it, why you think worldviews should suppose a bunch on unnecessary spooky entities?

  2. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >reddit mascot wearing a fedora
    Atheistbros... I think I might get baptized...

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Atheistbros... I think I might get baptized.
      yes you can mald all you want but your beliefs will always be associated with cringoid midwits

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        The only people that use the term midwit are morons in the lower end of the bell curve trying to feel better about themselves.
        >Yeah I may have less than 100IQ and not know anything about the world around me, but here's some smart people that believe in vaguely the same shit that I do!

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        The only time I get criticized for not being a Christian or religious is on Oyish and visibly white trash Twitter users.
        That’s a pretty good sign.

  3. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christians be like
    Only things magical sky israelite says are real
    Why? Because... they just are okay!?!?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes because Divine command theory of ethics is the most coherent ethical theory

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      who said anything about Christians? are you indoctrinated? i bet you think racism can only be carried out by white people too. Tell me you are a frequent reddittor without telling me such.

  4. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Do these tards realize they follow a circular epistemology?
    No, they don't realize it. They completely lack self awareness.

  5. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    so, if I don't submit to your rules, I burn forever after I die, right?
    have you any evidence that supports it?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >so, if I don't submit to your rules, I burn forever after I die, right?
      Yes
      >have you any evidence that supports it?
      The bible

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        I KNEW
        is there any evidence that proves that the bible is a reliable source?
        >inbf the bible
        hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          The Quran is Allahs word

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            guess who followd a circular epistemology now, you worthless brainlet

  6. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    What kind of proof am I ignoring?
    I'd accept a logical/philosophical proof of God, but the ones that exist are bullshit.
    Look me in the eye and tell me the Ontological argument isn't just playing word games.

    What else is there, your personal experience?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Did you seriously just oaraphrase dawkin? you are better than that

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Where did I paraphrase Dawkin?

  7. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christians be like
    Only the things I feel like are real, are real.
    Why? Well they're the things I feel like are real.
    Do these tards realize they follow a moronic epistemology?

  8. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    All epistemology is either circular or grounded in presuppositions. I'd say its more like, we only have reason to posit that the natural world exists. As an agnostic, I don't agree (and would maybe even take the third horn), but I'd say naturalism is more presuppositional than circular, like most form of theism.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >axiomatic grounding
      Yea theism works with that, but not marerialism

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        moron! All theism does is add extra steps...

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, so let me ask why does the universe as such exist rather than nothing?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why does God exist instead of nothing? There's your answer.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Gods existence is axiomatic, the universes isnt

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >something arguably imaginary is axiomatic while something that is common to the experience of literally everyone is not
            Christards, everyone!

  9. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't give a frick about your word games
    Jeovah can suck deez nuts
    I'd hate not to burn in hell

  10. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I learned that through finding out people lie and make shit up all the time.

  11. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because 79 IQ

  12. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    You guys seriously think God created a world he knew will have stuff he doesn't want in it?

    So, like, is God irrational (acting in a way that doesn't achieve his wants)? What's even supposed to be going on here.
    God has a superpower that makes it so he always get what he wants (omnipotence).

  13. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    all powerful being creates a huge fishbowl by our standards and his chosen people occupy less than one quintillionth of this fishbowl so they can be "tested" and "earn" their right to a blissful or torturous eternity because the god who knows everything that can and will happen supposedly needs people around to worship him and isn't happy just being by himself and we should be grateful to him for creating a life of suffering because based on how you live your 70 odd years you get one of those two afterlives! To think anyone could be a stupid enough Black person to believe this garbage is beyond me, it's fricking insane that even "great minds" after enough thought a lot of times didn't also come to such a conclusion. Maybe it was the prevailing geocentric model for over a millennia that let this bullshit thrive even among intellectuals. Seems like the only excuse I can give them. Religion is a perfect example as to why free speech is a problem.

  14. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    muhhamad was a huge homosexual

  15. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Only things we can materially verify are real.
    ?!
    Only the things that are provable can be verified!? But what about muh faith!!! Muh feelings!

  16. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Umm, I can't establish that the supernatural is a real thing let alone establish that the Christian God is real but those Atheists are moronS and that's why you should just believe what I say without questioning it first.
    Lol. Lmao even.

  17. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do Christians lie about literally everything? They read "do not bear false witness" and literally take it as a callenge rofl

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      They’re not Christians they’re just right wingers and white nationalists who think if everyone were Christian that would help them for some reason.

  18. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >the sheer amount of fedora-tipping on this board

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >screencapping your own post

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the sheer amount of fedora-tipping on this board

        Samegay

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Meds

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            You can deny it like a moron but I can literally see your IP, Marco

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            It doesn't even make sense for those to be the same person

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            You’re literally samegayging again

  19. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not gonna argue with anyone but I have to ask why Christians itt are using their free will to engage in sinful behavior like calling people morons and judging them. Surely you know you have free will and can simply stop sinning any time? There’s no tricking god

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      You’re gay and it’s not sinful to state this as a fact

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Again, another sin. Please use your free will next time and this won’t be an issue

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Are you implying I did not use my free will before?

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