>ask an atheist to define "evil". >he says good and evil are made up concepts

>ask an atheist to define "evil"
>he says good and evil are made up concepts

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >good = something the speaker thinks ought be done
    >evil = something the speaker thinks ought not be done
    I hope that helps, anon.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    But good and evil ARE made up concepts.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      made up of God's commandments.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        an atheist will not define good and evil in terms of God's commandments

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          because they are children of satan.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            But aren't we all childrens of god christiancuck ?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        All civilizations have some idea of "ought" and "ought-not". Judeo-christian values were extremely influential, but ethics have their root in human psychology

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Even dogs and triangles are made-up concepts, of course good and evil are made-up.

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    what i say is good is good, and what i say is evil is evil.

    and that's that.

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >ask a christoid to define evil
    >"Uhhh its whatever semitic book from 600 BC says"
    >christoid then proceeds to donate to Israel and invite transwomen in his churches

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >christoid then proceeds to donate to Israel and invite transwomen in his churches
      I can testify that none of the christoids on this site do this
      Why do atheists misattribute christians more than christians misattribute atheists?
      Is this a similar phenomenon to where conservatives have a better understanding of liberals than liberals conservatives?
      As a Christoid myself I was once an atheist; so I'm pretty sure I understand the position.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Pope francis - leader of the BIGGEST christian denomination invitet trannies to church and call them "Daughters of god"

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous
  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >good and evil are ..le real!
    Ok, show me a particle of good, give me a formula for calculating evil in a given room, have you isolated any evil from unrefined morals lately?
    Because if good and evil are le real because mr god decreed so, I refuse to accept them as real. He just made it up. And he has no case to prove it other than his superior authority. That is to say God defines good and evil simply because he can fricking kill or send to hell those who disagree. Which is something only an evil entity would do, and his followers are evil too

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >That is to say God defines good and evil simply because he can fricking kill or send to hell those who disagree
      Yes. Might makes right and no one is more mighty than Him
      >Which is something only an evil entity would do, and his followers are evil too
      Boo hoo

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    If Atheists don't have a morality, how can they virtue signal?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      morality and virtue are made up concepts

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        made up of the teachings of Christ.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Did he tell you to get vaccinated? Should we blame that on him?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            the first thing vaxxies tried to do was close the churches.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            They closed McDonalds too, what's your point?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            incorrect.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            The literally had vaccination centres in churches, stfu.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          sadly, christ didn't exist

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          So it was Christ who said you should let in refugees?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          If all morality come from Christ, then leftist morality is also a result of Christian teachings.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            they strip Christ out of them, so just like when nutrition is stripped from your food you are effectively consuming SHIT.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Exactly, when you take the illusion out of it, it's ultimately a destructive ideology, self-sacrificing.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            that's a very satanic way at looking at the world.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Satan would want to rob you of your humanity and kill you, which is what Christianity teaches.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >being this deceptive.
            you are well versed in your art.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >denial/deflection
            You learnt well from the israelites, for they are your fathers.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >t. self hating israelite.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's rich. Maybe learn the history of your religion.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >gets flustered
            >first thought is about money
            called it.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Who's flustered? You are the one calling me Satan.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            have you been rattled that badly? I called you a satanist (rightly so) not satan.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's even more pathetic.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology)

            Get yourself diagnosed.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >using psychology as a weapon to win arguments
            so you're a israeliteess.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            So I won? Thanks.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Only those who believe in Christ and his sacrifice can be victorious.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            have you been rattled that badly? I called you a satanist (rightly so) not satan.

            That's even more pathetic.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology)

            Get yourself diagnosed.

            Both of you are morons. You sound like you’re teenagers. Do something useful with your time.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >projecting your own morality/delusions onto others

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >If Atheists don't have a morality, how can they virtue signal?
      with the blood of innocents.
      Even so, The question is not 2how" they can do so but to "what"? (satan.)

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's according to your morality. Try to be objective.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Virtue signalling appeals to values commonly held in the virtue signaler's society. If the society values charity, the virtue signaler will publicly donate a lot of money. If it values animal sacrifice, the virtue signaler will publicly sacrifice lots of animals.
      If you don't get this, you're sub-80 IQ.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Most Atheists are actually Post-Calvinists or Hypercalvinists Universial Unitarians so they inherintly keep Christian morality, worse--CALVINIST morality, despite abandoning God and inverting some of the virtues

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Since god doesn't exist they are just exercising christianity without the leash of guilt and fear of hell.

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >good
    Whatever benefits me
    >evil
    Whatever disadvantages

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      good is gold. evil is silver.

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Good is a primitive, unanalysable concept.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't get it.

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Evil and good can be defined by things that is universally agreed upon or frowned upon, example:

    >Eating vegerables is GOOD
    >Petting cats and dogs is GOOD
    >Drinking bleach is BAD
    >Spreading rumors is BAD
    >comitting arson is EVIL
    >Killing innocents is EVIL

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Killing innocents is EVIL
      source?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >universal

      A large chunk of the world doesn't believe in LGBT rights.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        But a large chunk of Christians do.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just because most people believe something to be good doesn’t mean it’s good.
      Good and evil are learned from generation to generation. Certain actions tend to arch individuals and humanity towards long term flourishing and others don’t. That’s what it’s all about.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Killing innocents is EVIL
      Innocent of doing which things?

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >eating shrimps is... LE BAD!

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      meat is... LE BAD! (for the environment)

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    There is no God here.
    Only me.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Religitards think this is an actual argument

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Don't be selfish, give your mind to god.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >become part of the hivemind

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Let us decide what is good for you.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >What's to keep me from becoming a god
      Weakness, rephaps?

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    If God made them up. They're still made up.

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The moral argument is why I believe in god.

  15. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >good and evil are made up by an ancient desert spirit
    Much better

  16. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >A good is an outcome which favors me
    >An evil is an outcome which disfavors me
    >Knowledge of good and evil is the ability to anticipate future goods and evils
    >"Eating the fruit" allows one to build up for the future to cultivate goods rather than merely roaming the Garden, but also leaves one fearful of evils
    >To sin is to invite evils
    >To proscribe a sin is to offer a prescriptive analysis indicating that the act labeled "sin" is likely to invite evil
    >why the hell else did you think the etymological root of "sin" is "truth"?
    not atheist, just heterodox

  17. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Morality is a uniquely human instinct, like exclusively walking upright or speaking complex languages. Awareness and ability to act morally are awakened by divine wisdom. You either have it, or you don't. If you don't have it, you can get it - but once you have it, you can never un-know it.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >exclusively walking upright
      >instinct
      Does it hurt to be that stupid?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >failure to address central claim
        >presenting someone else's argument
        >presenting an argument which fails to disprove my claim
        >inability to address claims without resorting to hostility
        Is this really the best you can do? Maybe you should try and practice arguing in the mirror before going to a website to argue with other people.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          He's right, you are pretty stupid.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Come on man you can do better, I believe in you

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're right, I couldn't care less about the central claim of someone who proves himself an idiot.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's okay, I'm sure one day you'll be able to develop adequate responses to complex statements.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's wasted, since your worldview is based on belief, not rationality.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm sure you believe that.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't need to. You have provided us with evidence.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I see, and you believe that that evidence is sufficient to draw a conclusion. You see, I can reduce anything to mere belief.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            To believe is to accept something as true without evidence. I previously claimed your worldview was based on belief. I can now see it's based on denial.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >To believe is to accept something as true without evidence
            NTA, no it isn't.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >to believe is to believe
            What a moron.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Dumbass, I accept as true that the regression coefficients in pic related well describe the dataset from which the model was created, i.e. I believe it. I believe it because of the p-values depicted, i.e. on the basis of evidence. You are using an idiotic notion of "belief" used only by butthurt reactionary atheists with an IQ south of 110.
            >Verification not required.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous
          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >insults
            >seething
            >claims others are butthurt

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            South of 90.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >u dum

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            North of 70 though, so you've got that going for you, which is nice.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Your fixation on intelligence lets me know it's something you are very insecure about.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're wrong, of course, but you're nonetheless in the neighborhood of truth. I do feel insecure about how I fit into a world that's getting dumber by the year. You being a symptom thereof does in fact disturb me. I worry about my children's futures.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            The way you type gives it away. Trying really hard to sound smart is a sure sign you are stupid, that and your stupidity.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, I have already posted my WAIS-IV results to this board once today. I'm quite comfortable being a 133 IQ midwit. It only looks like "trying hard" to you because you're a dumbass.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >tries even harder

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            South of 85 and falling.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            You no longer have permission to respond to my posts.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why are you replying to your own post?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Then I suppose that makes this reply rape, doesn't it?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Literally talking to yourself.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Thank you, I appreciate you taking time out of your busy life to give further evidence to my claim that people are getting steadily dumber. God bless.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Unfortunately, I have far less faith in your ability to someday realize the flaw in the statement "A is B, just like not-B."

  18. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >ask an theist to define "evil"
    >he says good and evil are made up concepts by a israelite in the sky.

  19. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    good and evil is a false dichotomy
    I use civilization and barbarism

  20. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    There's something pathetically neurotic (common israelite trait) about christcuckeroonis and other asserted abrahamics wishing for a utilitarian certainty of morals. It's not enough for them to admit that life is complex and confusing and every individual faces unique challenges and resolves them to the best of his ability to balance crude survival and conscience, nah they need GodBot9000 who sits in heaven and carefully calculates the tally of your deeds according to the Bible User Manual To Good Boi Behavior.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Life is heckin complicated!
      All the more reason to simplify it.

  21. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Daily reminder that these preachy “Christians” half ass their religion, not truly dedicating their lives to helping the poor and sick and weak, not giving away their money to the poor, they don’t love their enemies, and they don’t live their lives humbly, excusing humility and peace…
    Yet they pretend like they truly believe in this religion, but dedicate much more energy to trying to tear down and spread hatred toward people who just don’t even bother with living that lie. All the while dedicating the most energy to moral lecturing on a very limited, cherry-picked rule set of ideas they personally and emotionally agree with from the Bible, like bashing gays and wanting to control women, neglecting the vast majority of the message of Jesus Christ.
    It is just incel conservatism with a transparent veil of a cross to try and add unquestioned legitimacy to their personal feelings, complexes, hangups and anger toward people and behaviors they don’t like. This is in no small part because they can’t defend or spread these discriminatory and arbitrary hatred and societal prescriptions using any kind of logical or even relatable points.
    They are fake, incel, uptight LARPers. Give them the benefit of the doubt, probe their minds and you will still end up at this conclusion.
    If they got pussy regularly these people would not exist.

  22. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >ask a theist to define "evil"
    >he says good and evil are made up (by God) concepts

  23. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >good = things i like
    >evil = things i do not like
    next question

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're so fricking confused

      >good = things God like
      >evil = things God does not like
      this is how it is in the real world

  24. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    violating natural law
    I thought even theists figured that out at some point?

  25. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    How do christians reconcile objective morality and free will? Because these two kind of contradict each other. Free will implies that moral law is replaced by personal agency, and moral law implies that behavior must be as deterministic as fundamental forces of the universe. After all, if your choices are [DO THE RIGHT THING] and [BURN IN HELL] its not really much a choice, right? It's like calling drowning a type of swimming. Which means that when God gave humans free will, he either trusted us to construct our own ethics, or he's just doing a bit of trolling by seeing how many morons will accidentally break one of his meme laws and fly into the lava.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >How do christians reconcile objective morality and free will? Because these two kind of contradict each other.
      Tired of hearing this illogical bullshit.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      See

      >A good is an outcome which favors me
      >An evil is an outcome which disfavors me
      >Knowledge of good and evil is the ability to anticipate future goods and evils
      >"Eating the fruit" allows one to build up for the future to cultivate goods rather than merely roaming the Garden, but also leaves one fearful of evils
      >To sin is to invite evils
      >To proscribe a sin is to offer a prescriptive analysis indicating that the act labeled "sin" is likely to invite evil
      >why the hell else did you think the etymological root of "sin" is "truth"?
      not atheist, just heterodox

      To act morally is to avoid misfortune. We have free will because we cannot perfectly predict the future, but eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil diminished the free will of man by granting limited powers of prediction.

  26. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Good - humanity
    Evil - nature (God)
    Ever notice how in case of cataclysmic earthquakes or tsunamis or famines or epidemic outbreaks government lay off their israeli chessboards and lend humanitarian help regardless of geopolitical situation? This is the real moral imperative, humanity sees itself contraposed God and his works, and when God strikes we put aside out differences, unite in our hatred of the accursed demiurge to keep our species afloat.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Good - humanity
      >Evil - nature (God)
      nature isn't good or evil, it's something to be overcome, and also something protect
      god was a concept invented by evil men to control others. by even claiming good/evil had to be defined and taught, is a clear subversion of the innate goodness that exists in everyone that is born.
      china, an atheist society, said: everyone is born good and kind
      christians, an evil religious cult, say: everyone is born with sin
      you see an ideology controlled by people who constantly bicker over what's good/evil as if they couldn't feel it themselves, that teaches everyone you are naturally evil until taught by our bureaucrats what it means to be good, must be evil!

  27. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    everyone innately knows what is good and what is evil. it's called instinct. you don't need religion, hell you don't even need to be literate, to understand good vs evil. every argument over good or evil is just an attempt to justify evil. so, by even asking an atheist to define good or evil, are you trying to justify evil against human instinct?

  28. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Things considered "good" are generally associated with generating states of positive emotion or avoiding states of negative emotion. The intellect is responsible for determining whether an action leads to a net positive or negative. Emotions are given, we don't control them. They're designed by evolution, to foster behaviour that maximizes (minimizes) odds of survival & procreation. Hence, actions considered 'good' are ones that maximize probability of survival and procreation (varies between individuals).

    Consider this: Why do certain individuals act in ways (commonly) associated with evil? Paedophiles, sadists? How do you explain that? Do you believe they experience the same emotions you would experience (assuming you're "normal") when they commit those acts? I don't. It'd be impossible to commit such acts while experiencing such emotions, imagining them is hard enough. So, the things that stimulate positive / negative emotion in these individuals must be different. But does that make them "evil"? After all, they act according to their emotions, like most of us do? We (the majority) are not morally superior, we're just the majority.

    The truly superior are those capable of acting without emotional incentives.

    Is an emotionally disturbed individual (like the ones listed above) that acts in a way that's normally considered "good" morally superior to a normie that does the same? After all, it must be a lot harder for them? LMKWYT.

  29. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    good is the morality that enables the most understanding of reality. There exists an ideal natural flow state where things become good. physical, measurable things cant achieve it. the act of being self aware and physically tied to our extent only allow us to partially feel it, this results in evil and good coexisting in the physical existence.
    the religious beliefs that allow the highest connection to the good flow state seems to be enlightenment chrisendom beliefs. an all powerful god figure whos also very forgiving, governing the world with understandable, impersonal laws.
    attempts of humanity to alter the natural forces of reality beyond human limits, notably through communism, are as evil as murderers, rapists, corrupt politicians and thieves. by extension, the man made environments these ideologies spawn from are also evil

  30. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >evil: mass murder, torturing people (Junko's killers was an act of evil), etc
    >evil according to skydaddy: all sins are equal so premarital sex is on the same level as a spree killing

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Junkos killing was an act of evil and her killers are evil

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Examples aren't a definition.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >evil is acts that are intentionally meant to cause suffering to the innocent
        Happy now homosexual?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's better, but you should define "innocents" as well.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            My definition of innocent is anyone who doesn't deserve pain or death done to them, and those that inflict suffering or death upon such people commit an act of evil by doing so.
            Junko was innocent
            Sylvia Likens was innocent
            Victims of mass shootings were innocent
            Victims of genocide were innocent
            Etc

            The reason I used the word "innocent" to begin with is because sometimes causing someone to die is justified and therefore not evil and it needs to be specifically differentiated from the above where the person has done nothing to deserve it. An intruder in your home who seeks to harm you or your family is not innocent and killing said intruder would not be evil, it'd be justified. Killing enemy soldiers during a war that has justification (not a war of aggression on your country's part or during a war that has justification-just war) while serving in your country's military is not evil. Killing someone who hurt your children (like Gary Plauche did to the person who molested his son) is not evil.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            why are you arguing with a satanist?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why would you assume that I'm a satanist?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Thank you, Anon. Your definitions seem reasonable but limited. Your concept of evil can't accommodate notions like the evil eye, or an evil omen. You're using evil as a moral concept, but good and evil are prior to morality, they are concepts upon which morality is built.
            When you described "sky daddy" belief, you conflated evil with sin. I think it's more useful to simply define evil as misfortune, and sin as that which is held to increase the likelihood of misfortune. I would say that causing harm to innocents is a wrong, and wrongs are sinful because they invite retaliation, which is evil / unfortunate. Of course, many strains of our modern (post-evil) morality holds that such a calculus is itself a wrong.

  31. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    So is this board just snobby /misc/? I'm gonna be so mad if it is.

  32. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Morality is a set of principles factions of society test against each other. This is a mechanic to help a social species thrive by working together instead of fricking each other over nonstop on an individual level.

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