As a Catholic Christian, I don't understand why Westerners idealize the pagan Roman Empire over the Christian Roman Empire (Holy Roman Empire).

As a Catholic Christian, I don't understand why Westerners idealize the pagan Roman Empire over the Christian Roman Empire (Holy Roman Empire).

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  1. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Holy Roman Empire of the
    German Nation
    >of the German Nation
    >German Nation
    >German
    That probably has something to do with it.

  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    That polity is one of my favorite parts of Western history, but its story is a fundamentally unsatisfying tragedy of great men like Barbarossa who could not overcome its limitations to forge something much greater.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Barbarossa was a c**t, the emperor who came closest to solidifying Imperial authority was Ferdinand II who did so despite having a realm mostly opposed to his rule and a theoretical alliance of half the empire arrayed against the expansion of his powers. If not for Swedish intervention in the 30 Years War Ferdinand II would probably be seen as the greatest statesman in European history, and best of all he only fricked over people who had it coming like Frederick the Elector Palatine.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the emperor who came closest to solidifying Imperial authority was Ferdinand II
        This is pretending like the Salians and Ottonians didn't exist and didn't have a stronger grip on Germany than later rulers.

  3. 8 months ago
    OP IS A FAGGOT

    >As a Catholic Christian
    No one asked.

    >I don't understand
    No one cares.

    >Westerners idealize the pagan Roman Empire over the Christian Roman Empire
    Entirely anecdotal blogposting. Frick off.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      They don’t

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  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're American, aren't you

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      i don't think he is

  5. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    What did the """Holy""" """Roman""" Empire create or accomplish?
    State the amount of time they had in power, and how they used this to better mankind.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >State the amount of time they had in power,
      Over 1000 years
      >and how they used this to better mankind.
      Making you seethe

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Buttons, ray tracing, Kepler's laws, moveable type, conlanging, barrel rifling, telescopes, the Fahrenheit scale, calculus, binary, newspapers, pocketwatches, vacuum pumps, electric generators, capacitors, protestantism, lutheranism, the illuminati, wheelchairs, the mercator projection, world atlases, longitude measurement using clocks all came from within the borders of the HRE.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      You reveal your own ignorance on the subject by placing Roman in scare quotes but not Empire.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's an ideology which grew outside of its natural geographical boundaries. It's an empire.

  6. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    might as well idolize Luther, Kaiser Wilhelm, Hitler, Angela Merkel and Klaus Schwab at this point too than the entirety of Anglo civilization.

  7. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Germany got an unlimited amount of Latinx bunda and pussy living rentfree all over the place

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Most meme tier "empire" of all time

      Wow they even managed to make traditional German dress look trashy and ghetto. Hispanics are a plague.
      This is like seeing lizzo in a kimono

  8. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ah, I get your point now. The first thread was only part of it.

    Well, the anthropocentric humanism of the modern West is neopagan, as was perfectly explained by one of its founding fathers:

    >I myself heard him [Gemistos Plethon] at Florence ... asserting that in a few more years the whole world would accept one and the same religion with one mind, one intelligence, one teaching. And when I asked him "Christ’s or Muhammad’s?," he said, "Neither; but it will not differ much from paganism." I was so shocked by these words that I hated him ever after and feared him like a poisonous viper, and I could no longer bear to see or hear him. I heard, too, from a number of Greeks who escaped here from the Peloponnese that he openly said before he died ... that not many years after his death Muhammad and Christ would collapse and the true truth would shine through every region of the globe.

    >George of Trebizond, Comparatio Platonis et Aristotelis, fol. v63

  9. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    For me, it's would be a pagan Holy Roman Empire

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      apologies
      It would be a pagan Holy Roman Empire*

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