Any Christians here want to tell me what 1+1+1 is?!
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How about you tell me what 1x1x1 is?
So Jesus is multiplied with God? Lol akhi that isn’t tawhid that’s brain damage
1x1x1 is 1. How isn't it tawhid?
Is the christian god 1+1+1 persons or 1x1x1 persons?
1x1x1. Next time, look up the definition of the trinity first before starting an entire thread on it.
You just denied the trinity, lol. You are so foolish.
How'd I deny the trinity?
The trinity is 3 persons. 1x1x1 does not equal 3. lmao, so foolish.
Do you not see the three persons in 1x1x1?
Do you not know mathematics? 1x1x1=1. You're so dumb it's funny
Yes, that's what I said. God is one in three coequal persons.
1+1+1 persons or 1x1x1 persons?
1x1x1. Three ones making one.
How is it a refutation, moron?
You're embarrassing yourself
Meds.
Well... That sounds like a refutation
So you could add any number of other gods and x1 will stll be 1. Why not a tetrarchy? Or an ogdoad?
It could be, but it isn't. Each person in the Trinity has defined roles. Provide evidence for a tetrarchy or an ogdoad from yourself. Design one yourself and present your design if you don't want to refer to the Bible. We can compare it to the trinity to see which ones make more sense.
Modalism is a heresy. enjoy eternal damnation 🙂
How is this modalism? It's three distinct persons.
He's not dividing labor because it's still one God.
Giving a number of persons defined roles is division of labor and more fitting for a god/gods of limited potency, such as Graeco-Roman paganism, where each god is the god of war, medicine, love and so on.
Doesn't Allah have 99 names which all refer to Allah?
How is this relevant to our discussion? Are you accusing muslims of believing in a god with ninety nine persons, or 33 trinities?
You're saying having defined roles equals limited potency. So, do you Muslims not believe in an omnipotent God seeing as how you're giving God defined roles?
No, I don't think muslims think god is made up of 99 persons or 33 trinities. This is the weirdest gotcha attempt I've ever seen.
You're not Muslim? Why are you posting a picture of Hijab?
I didn't post a picture of a hijab, nor is posting pictures of hijabs a uniquely muslim phenomenon. So anyways, why does an omnipotent god need to divide labour between three persons?
How is he dividing labor? It's still one God. God the Son will obviously take human form. It's still the same God.
Remember, you are trying to argue that the trinity not only makes sense but makes the most sense out of every theological or philosophical conception of god. I am asking you why an omnipotent god needs specifically 3 persons, as opposed to less persons, more persons or the absence of personhood entirely.
It makes sense with the events of the Bible. Why are you arguing from an extra-Biblical context as if the events in the Bible never happened?
You think it's unfair that people who aren't christian want extra biblical explanations?
The trinity came from the Bible. Why would someone who doesn't believe in God the Son believe in the Trinity? Why would someone who doesn't believe in the Bible believe in God the Son?
>The trinity came from the Bible
Wrong. The trinity came from the Council of Nicea.
Unless now you're gonna tell us that Jesus said He, God, and the Holy Spirit are a triple threat
The council of Nicaea resolved the debates concerning the Trinity. Why would there be a council in the first place if trinitarian identities did not previously exist?
How does having to believe in the bible in order for the trinity to make sense prove that the trinity is the most sensible conception of god?
It's the most sensible conception given the EVENTS in the Bible. The part that is universal is monotheism. Each religion is simple an attempt to explain how monotheism works. The trinity is the Christian conception of monotheism.
How is the christian conception of god superior to every other conception when those other conceptions don't require you to believe in the bible?
WDYM superior? Define superiority. The trinity fits Biblical reality. That's all a Christian needs.
This weird cope about the trinity only making sense if you are already a christian is concession enough for me.
>superior
More like a sequel. Same Trinity, different 'religion'
Just like Islam is technically primordial, so for people that never had a religion of Monotheism, all they have to do is believe in One God
Then now Islam is an actual religion, with a written and spoken book, a sequel of the Religion of Abraham
There are zero similarities to those trinities other than simply sharing the number 3.
What is a Christian? Someone who believes in Christ. If you don't believe in Christ, why'd you believe in the Trinity? If you believe in Christ, you have to believe in the Trinity.
Except not all christians believe in the trinity to begin with, so your weird cope argument still falls on its face.
Maybe 1% of Christians don't. The trinity is established doctrine for the vast majority of Christians.
How is that a similarity? We don't believe Jesus incarnates into kings or popes or patriarchs or POTUS or whatever.
>How is that a similarity? We don't believe Jesus incarnates into kings or popes or patriarchs or POTUS or whatever.
meds
He's saying the Son incarnates into the Pharaoh. How is that at all similar to any Christian doctrine?
>Pharaoh
Pharaoh is the King of Egypt (I hope you don't try and twist this one somehow)
Jesus is King of the israelites. No. King of everybody and everything for all time (Just like Pharaoh)
>OP
I'm not OP, at least not of this thread
Pharaoh isn't eternal. It's a post, not a person. Jesus is eternal.
You could say Pharaoh the same god incarnating again and again, but Jesus doesn't do that either.
>Jesus is eternal.
Not anymore than any of us
>Coequal, coeternal, consubstantial God-Son versus reincarnating God-Son
We'll try and remember that next time we're comparing your polytheism to theirs
Why wouldn't he be eternal?
>polytheism
Egyptian religion has multiple gods. Many more so than the three mentioned in the picture. The trinity is quite clearly one God.
>God-Son of God-Father incarnate in human
vs
>God-Son of God-Father incarnate in human
If they deny the trinity, they're not Christian. Any diversion from orthodox Christology invalidates your claim to "Christian"
>There are zero similarities to those trinities other than simply sharing the number 3.
>trinities
>sharing the number 3
I really can't argue with you there
>There are zero similarities to those trinities other than simply sharing the number 3.
except that Egyptian Son incarnates into pharaoh
Plato wasn't a proto trinitarian. I don't know why christians always try to co-opt the Greeks while calling them silly pagans under the same breath.
Triads aren't the same as consubstance.
>Triads aren't the same as consubstance.
That's wonderful for you. Either explain or keep coping
Do you even know what substance theory is?
>Do you even know what substance theory is?
Do you even know what pussy tastes like?
Yes, it's tastes like sweaty gelatin. And substance theory is central to understanding God.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substance_theory
>And substance theory is central to understanding God.
Did Jesus say that? It's central to mental gymnastics. And you, sir, are a seasoned acrobat
>sweaty gelatin
Kek
Why do you rely on the falsafa of the kuffar pagans like aristotle or plato, who worshipped idols, and not your own book. Islam doesn’t have this issue mashaallah
That's because you're illiterate. There are lots of Muslims that did rely on Aristotle and Plato. Only illiterate salafis don't.
Even kuffar such as al-ghazzali produce plethora of reasons of why they aren’t Muslim (see his takfir on ibn sina)
That's based on specific beliefs, moron. It doesn't mean anyone who reads Plato becomes an apostate in Islam.
Coequal, coeternal, consubstantial God-Son versus reincarnating God-Son. Not to mention the mother involved in the Egyptian one.
Because Truth is Truth regardless who says it and the ideas we syncretized were True while the ideas that weren't we ignored.
If there's a problem with their Kafir Lime Falafel like you claim, then please disprove the concepts in and of themselves and why they are philosophically and metaphysically impossible
>Islam doesn’t have this issue
The Satanic verses
Weak hadith
Cope
>ninety nine persons, or 33 trinities?
How many Greek Pantheons is that?
names =/= persons
attributes(sifaat) don’t give people multi personality disorder where they crucify themselves
That wasn't my argument. He said having attributes limits potency. Does having 99 names limit potency?
What’s potency?
Power.
Muslims don't believe that Jesus was crucified.
> has defined roles
Modalism
That isn't what modalism is. Modalism is denying that the three persons of the trinity are coeternal. Never have I denied that.
>each person in the Trinity has defined roles
Why would an omnipotent god need to divide labour between three persons. Is god unable to do everything with just one or two?
shifting the goalposts
How about you tell me what 1/3+1/3+1/3 is?
1/3.
Modalism heresy?
it's 1.
i put it in the calculator to be sure
according to islam god is above logic so that shouldn't be a problem 🙂
Tu quo que
person vs being
This anon actually has solved the thread, but some people conveniently have pretended this post doesn't exist
Person versus being is exactly what I was getting at with 1 x 1 x 1.
Rare based post from the tripgay
/thread should have ended here.
mumbo jumbo ancient buzzwords with no real meaning
Person means entity. Being means existing. There you go.
Now, was that too difficult, son of a Muslim, lacking in grace?
Insulin
Why so you need insulin?
Stop posting brown men, son of a Muslim.
>18 posts in and no one’s managed to come up with 1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3
jesus is 1/3 god?
He is fully God in the Trinity. At least skim Wikipedia before embarrassing yourself further.
Were you homeschooled? 1/3+1/3+1/3 implies jesus is only 1/3 god.
partialism is a heresy. enjoy eternal suffering 🙂
Is that really partialism? It's not Jesus is part God, it's Jesus is part Trinity, the relationship not the individual nature
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>1x1x1=1, not 1+1+1=3
imagine warping your most basic mathematical logic to desperately tailor the result to be in line with your theological doctrine.
Should just said that god is mysterious and cannot be bound by mere logic. That way it can be a little bit believable instead of this moronic flawed pseuds take.
Cool, explain how a tesseract works
wow the shills git BTDO by a pretty basic form of heresy ITT
and this kind of pretense at "debate" is what they expect to impress me with
you will suffer greatly
Again, meds.
I am not Christian, Sunni. But the answer is not to question it and to pray to Allah for protection against Shaitan.
Muslims be like
> God is all powerful
But then he like
> nooooo God cannot do that!
Why do we need 3 Islam shilling threads at the same time?
You're right. We nees more /x/ tier christianity shilling threads.
Is that what I said?
It’s not a dawah thread. I am just asking my Christian brothers a simple question of what 1+1+1 is.
Despite this none of them have answered!
Makes you think
You got your answer but are denying it for some reason. Isn't the definition of a Kafir someone who denies the truth?
Show me someone in this thread who answered my question
He makes every kafir and mushrik quake in their books with his presence.
Alhamdulillah. The mushrik thinks he can pray to his idols for forgiveness and use western moral standards in condemning the prophet (PBUH) but no one deceives Allah and he will know on the day of judgement if he doesn’t reprint from his tritheist god and praying to idols
See
How does that answer my question? I asked what the answer of one plus one plus one is. Is it that hard?
Three persons in one being. 1*1*1.
So why do you keep avatargayging Mohamed Hijab
why did Muhammad have intercourse with a 9 year old girl
That’s not an answer to my question. Please answer my question, but to answer yours refer to this video by scholar Mohammed Hijab: https://youtu.be/1ps5jOEjOFs
>why did Muhammad have intercourse with a 9 year old girl
>Goes to hell
>BUT THE PROPHET HAD SEX!! AND SHE WASN'T EVEN AGE OF CONSENT!!
>BUT I WAS SUPPOSED TO INHERIT THE EARTH! I ALWAYS PRAYED IN JESUS NAME AND SAID MY HAIL MARYS!!
what's the christBlack moral objection to this
Why do you find this morally objectionable? Are you appealing to the morality of a different religion or an objective morality apart from religion entirely?
Same reason you fapped to e-girl hentai
I fapped to milfs though
>I fapped to shotas
So I'm kinda curious, if Muhammad had never married Aisha (at the same time as 30 year old Sawdah the widow), would you have ever considered Islam as a religion?
What does a man's marital affairs have to do with the truthfulness of the faith that he preaches? Would you not be a christian if jesus wasn't a virgin?
Are you saying God can't make 1+1+1=1?
>tries to disprove Christian doctrine using a misunderstood strawman
>proven wrong (logic never made sense)
>reacts by switching to another reddit-tier gotcha question, or random historical event
Literalists just can't deal with abstract thought
Any pedo worshipers here want to tell my Ice isn't actually H20?
If you explained the trinity like that to the inquisition, they would've burned you at the stake
I'm not even a christian, just pointing out that an individual object or being can have different states and still be one thing
Go rape a 9 year old sand Black person
And I'm just "pointing out" to you that the christian conception of the trinity is not analogous to h20 having different states.
>Go rape a 9 year old sand Black person
He is raping a 9 year old, and it's you
Poor women stop growing mentally/physically at 13-14 years of age.
Islam allows her to marry up (as a 2nd or 3rd or 4th wife, only spending a portion of time with her husband).
Christian Monogamy forces her to marry down from this, and also forces her to be with her husband 100% of the time.
Refer to:
to get thoroughly refuted and destroyed by Mohammed Hijab and nice job proving Modalism LOL!
This actually is modalism.
I wonder how many people actually believe this b8.
which one
Just symbology. We're not prohibited from using cultural symbols. There's nothing here that contradicts Christian doctrine. Only brings depth to our culture.
How does this contradict the Trinity exactly?
>There's nothing here that contradicts Christian doctrine.
God-Son of God-Father being chased,betrayed, captured, tortured and killed and then resurrects
his "Just a symbol" is a cross
he's just not a jesus
??? Phrase whatever you're trying to say better.
>Only brings depth to our culture.
Yeah, so does Yule and the celebrations of Ishtar. Gotta keep up with the Sun
>How does this contradict the Trinity exactly?
Jesus prays to himself. Did God pray to Himself anywhere in the Bible? Even Horus didn't pray to himself, or to Osiris
How does Christmas having traditions similar to Yule make it pagan? Unless it somehow contradicts Christian doctrine, who cares?
Jesus is praying to God the Father. The Father is not the Son. Both are God.
>Jesus is praying to God the Father. The Father is not the Son. Both are God.
just like pharaoh who would worship Osiris
"Just like" is cringe. Egyptians were full on polytheists and believed in multiple gods. Obviously, they prayed to their chief god. Every religion does. They didn't believe in a trinity and they weren't monotheists.
*cough in christian saints*
>were full on polytheists and believed in multiple gods
how's Mary is doing ? I've heard resurrection of her solar son happens every year
Again, how does this contradict Christian doctrine?
What point are you trying to make? That Christians should be iconoclasts?
when you prey do you say Amen?
>prey
pray
Search for any of their contemporary gods. Shiva, Krishna, Ganesha.
What do Hindu gods have anything to do with Christianity?
Yes, I say amen.
>Yes, I say amen.
and what egyptian god has to do with "so much nothing to do with egyptian paganism" holy trinity?
Amen comes from Hebrew. From the Old Testament. Nothing to do with Egypt.
Even if it had come from Egypt, using an Egyptian word wouldn't make it polytheism.
>Nothing to do with Egypt.
look at this dude
his entire faith is a derivative of Atenism wrapped in the poorly retold sumerian stories polished by persian and greek influence
>Egyptian word
name of god is not just word
especially if it goes as "In the name of Father,Son and Holy Spirit.Amen(!!!!)
This is how desperate muslims are
They attack the concept of monotheism just to raise up their Arab-supremacy cult
Reddit personified.
>I wonder how many people actually believe this b8.
>women have yellow sperm, and whoever cums first is who the kid will resemble
- https://sunnah.com/urn/1002010 (Sahih)
>the israelites are responsible for meat decaying
- bukhari 60:72
>that man is created from:
>nothing
- quran 19:67
>cloth of blood
- quran 96:2
>water
- quran 21:30
>seed
- quran 16:4
>clay
- quran 15:26
>earth
- quran 11:61
>dust
- quran 3:59
>allah sends hail from mountains that are in heaven
- quran 24:43
>the sun sets in murky water (this was discovered by alexander the great, who was also a prophet of islam)
- quran 18:86
allah says he created earth first, then heaven
- quran 41:9-12
no wait actually heaven first, then the earth
- quran 79:27-32
muhammad recited satanic verses, cannot know what is from allah and what is from satan
- quran 22:52
allah will make muhammad forget verses
- quran 2:106
muhammad thinks mary (mother of jesus) is the sister of the brother of moses (even tho they lived many years from each other)
- quran 19:28
- Sahih Muslim 28:13
- Tafsir Ibn Kathir (non-abridged) 19:28
muhammad thinks mary is part of the christian trinity
- quran 5:73-75
- quran 5:116
allah decieves whoever he wants
- quran 4:88
allah is the best of the decievers
- quran 3:54
allah made it appear that christ died on the cross
- quran 4:157
>Muhammad says a Muslim baby could go to hell
https://sunnah.com/urn/1250820
>Muhammad fondled Aisha while fasting
https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/8/47
>Aisha scraping semen off Muhammad's clothes
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/4/96
>Aisha made her relatives give their breasts to strangers
https://sunnah.com/urn/413040
https://sunnah.com/urn/413020
https://sunnah.com/muslim/17/33
>Breastfeeding adults was in the Quran, but a sheep ate the verse
https://sunnah.com/urn/1262630
>Aisha (a mature young lady! that Arabian heat made em' grow back then!) still played with dolls while married to Muhammad
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/78/157
https://sunnah.com/nasai/26/183
https://sunnah.com/adab/55/18
That isn’t what 1+1+1 is
>brown cant do math
If 1 is the all powerful creator of the universe and he says that 1+1+1=1 in this circumstance, then it's 1.
1=1=1.
Is not + is not x is not ÷.
Why not 1^1^1?
NOT made up of parts, btw
Parts are not the same as partitions, moron. Parts mean the same as parting or parted. Like Moses did with the sea.
>Parts are not the same as partitions, moron.
Christfriend logic
Are you serious? In what universe are parts and partitions the same? Do you even logic?
put a shirt on fatty
You realise this body is considered huge and jacked in Britain right? Anyone would see a 'big muscly man' when they see that, women especially
>you believe in Jesus christ as savior but have a minor different interpretation of his divine nature? ETERNAL HELLFIRE AND TORMENT
No wonder are leaving the church in droves, fricking psychopaths
great thread, all the cope and seethe from polytheists was nice
>161replies, 33posters
jwanon is working overtime
1+1+1 = 3
Now let me ask you something, do you think the rules of mathematics are bound to God? Or is God bound to the laws of mathematics?
Why don't Christians just admit they're polytheist? I really don't understand. All these gymnastics and cope makes their belief look like a mess.
Just admit you have a triad of Jesus (resurrected God archetype), the holy spirit (Cronus esque creator) and Father (Zeus esque figure).
Nothing wrong with also adding in the Great Mother cult with Mary, and Satan as God of the underworld. Minor saints like St Christopher slot nicely into Hermes' place, etc. Or maybe it's even time to look deeper into Simon Magus' doings here?
Shoehorning all these different amazing characters into 1 big monotheist mess weakens the Word massively. It's a disgrace.
>religion
>/x/