A Christian believes the Bible. The Bible says the sky is solid.

A Christian believes the Bible. The Bible says the sky is solid. So a real Christian is only someone who believes in a solid sky, right?

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  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The Bible says the sky is solid.
    source?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
      The firmament is "open"
      🙂
      Literally Bible: Chapter 1

      You are unironically basing your idea of the Bible on near eastern paganism instead* of the written words.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firmament

      • 7 months ago
        Ο Σολιταίρ

        why would I give shit what wikipedia says about the archaic word "firmament" when Bible:Chapter 1 says that it is "open" and that birds "fly IN it"?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          This was their cosmology anon. You can find several other passages that make way more sense as a solid dome. One of the most common translations outright calls it a done.

          • 7 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            There is no way to get the "glass dome" interpretation from the Bible alone.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I didn’t say glass. This is what they thought anon.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You can find several other passages that make way more sense as a solid dome.
            Would you care to cite even one?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Bro we’ll get back to that, did you not know this?

            English, the word "firmament" is recorded as early as 1250, in the Middle English Story of Genesis and Exodus. It later appeared in the King James Bible. The same word is found in French and German Bible translations, all from Latin firmamentum (a firm object), used in the Vulgate (4th century).[1] This in turn is a calque of the Greek στερέωμᾰ (steréōma), also meaning a solid or firm structure (Greek στερεός = rigid), which appears in the Septuagint, the Greek translation made by israeli scholars around 200 BCE.

          • 7 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            since it was commonly discussed at the time that the earth was a sphere, why did Jesus and the Apostles never make it a subject of discussion ONCE? If it's SO utterly important as FlatTards make it out to be?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            The cosmology of the earth and sky in genesis was translated originally as a firm object. That’s what firmament means.
            Anon I’ll clear this up for you. It’s a series of myths and Christians as time went on including you have retconned what it said and increasingly inserted newly found and scientific knowledge into an old myth, pretending that’s what they actually meant all along.

          • 7 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            Explain the usage of "raqia" in Ezekiel in describing the living creatures.
            Also, raqia is a synonym for shamayim as demonstrated by poetic parallelism (you probably agree that the "heavens" ARE the "firmament," but examining the verses describing the heavens would prove that the SKY is not literally firm)

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I’m talking about genesis and them referring to the sky as a firm object that separates the waters above from the waters on earth. This is ancient middle eastern cosmology anon, not a big deal.

          • 7 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            >I’m talking about genesis
            and Genesis was written in Hebrew and "raqia" means a "beaten-out object; an expanse"

            people were free to believe in a "glass dome" all they wanted but you're corroborating what I'm saying; that you can't get "ancient middle eastern cosmology" from the Bible alone

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            I’m not saying glass. Why do you keep saying that?

          • 7 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            because without "glass-dome" you don't actually have a consistent cosmology and you're left with the reality that people probably believed all kinds of things about the "shape" of reality, and that the Bible doesn't actually present anything close to a "cosmology," instead using what amounts to poetic language to describe "the heavens, the earth, and the seas"

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why would it need to be glass?

          • 7 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            excuse me, "solid crystal"

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            What is your point? It’s a related word it doesn’t mean the firmament is literally hammered metal, it means it’s similar

          • 7 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            a sheet =/= a dome
            glass, crystal, "invisible tin"
            whatever
            the SKY is a SHEET from our perspective
            but OPs pic demonstrates the commonly held view that everyone thought the SKY was a dome

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Tin dish is the related word. The Vatican translation on their website literally just says dome. Why does this bother you so much?
            This myth is from the iron, maybe Bronze Age. Of course they knew frick all about anything besides some general thoughts about life and relationships

          • 7 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            >Why does this bother you so much?
            because it's wrong.
            the Bible is agnostic on this issue but everyone acts like it isn't.
            which is wrong and wrong things bother me

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            It’s not agnostic anon it’s called the dome or firmament in genesis. Other words are used which means like hammered tin dish, also a dome.

          • 7 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            holy shit, for the last time, it doesn't say "dome"
            that is wrong lol
            how can you not see that that is a later interpretation?
            You can't just post hoc declare that "beaten dish, sheet, expanse" means "dome" just because it makes for a neatly formed idea of ancient thought.
            pic rel is a dome I found

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            You know what none of the translations conceive of it? An increasingly thin layer of air and then a massive expanse of almost nothing far larger in size than any distance on earth.

          • 7 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            not relevant to what I'm arguing
            it doesn't say "dome"

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Who gives a frick? They didn’t know what the sky was because they were ancient people writing myths.

          • 7 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            fine lol
            as long as we're clear that "everyone unequivocally believed in a clear sky dome" is a myth

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            They thought it was a firm object which makes them wrong. They were wrong because they didn’t know any better. They didn’t know any better because they weren’t actually getting their information from the actual creator of the universe, but they made it up and guessed like all ancient people did.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            These words all translate the Biblical Hebrew word rāqīaʿ (רָקִ֫יעַ), used for example in Genesis 1.6, where it is contrasted with shamayim (שָׁמַיִם), translated as "heaven(s)" in Genesis 1.1. Rāqīaʿ derives from the root rqʿ (רָקַע), meaning "to beat or spread out thinly".[2][3] The Hebrew lexicographers Brown, Driver and Briggs gloss the noun with "extended surface, (solid) expanse (as if beaten out)" and distinguish two main uses: 1. "(flat) expanse (as if of ice), as base, support", and 2. "the vault of heaven, or 'firmament,' regarded by Hebrews as solid and supporting 'waters' above it."[4] A related noun, riqquaʿ (רִקּוּעַ), found in Numbers 16.38 (Hebrew numbering 17.3), refers to the process of hammering metal into sheets.[4] Gerhard von Rad explains:

            Rāqīaʿ means that which is firmly hammered, stamped (a word of the same root in Phoenecian means "tin dish"!). The meaning of the verb rqʿ concerns the hammering of the vault of heaven into firmness (Isa. 42.5; Ps.136.6). The Vulgate translates rāqīaʿ with firmamentum, and that remains the best rendering.

            —Gerhard von Rad [5]

          • 7 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            >refers to the process of hammering metal into sheets.

            how is this a glass dome?

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            You’re the only one saying glass

          • 7 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            all of them will involve taking a verse that says "tent" or "chamber" and then proclaiming that that means "glass dome"
            The fact of the matter is that from our perspective, the sky is always a "stretched" tent above us. Just like how from our perspective, the sun "rises" and "sets"

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Bible:Chapter 1 says that it is "open" and that birds "fly IN it"?
          Try to read the original israeli Bible

  2. 7 months ago
    Ο Σολιταίρ

    >And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
    The firmament is "open"
    🙂
    Literally Bible: Chapter 1

    You are unironically basing your idea of the Bible on near eastern paganism instead* of the written words.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Before that it’s explaining how the dome/firmament separates the waters above from the waters on earth. They further explain the sun, moon and stars are lights in the firmament.
      It’s really is the most good faith interpretation to say they clearly didn’t understand what they were looking at when they looked up.
      Totally expected and reasonable with the lack of information they were dealing with.

      • 7 months ago
        Ο Σολιταίρ

        Firmament = SKY
        SKY you idiot.
        The stars are in the SKY
        The clouds are in the SKY
        Birds fly in the SKY
        The SKY cannot be moved

        "Firmament" is an ENGLISH word to translate the Hebrew word for SKY

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Bro it’s described as a separating barrier. This isnt controversial, that was their understanding of the sky at the time.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >f-f-f-firmament just means sky

      Then why didn't they use the word sky? Also no b***h. Raqia means dome.

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christianity was originally an outgrowth of the Essene sect of Judaism which was itself originally an outgrowth of Canaanite henotheism known as Yahwism which was originally an outgrowth of...etc.

    The Bible is not always going to be consistent or even plausible.

    • 7 months ago
      Ο Σολιταίρ

      The Essenes were basically 0.1% of israelites who happen to have an archaeological overrepresentation.
      The concept that Christianity arose from them is asinine at best*

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >There weren't that many
        >the idea is stupid because... it just is ok.
        why do you think what you are saying is convincing to anyone. Do you really think there is nothing more to thought than just stating your opinons. you are the most annoying guy on this board you know that right. You have to support your claims a little bit.

      • 6 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The Essenes were basically 0.1% of israelites who happen to have an archaeological overrepresentation.
        Same as the early christians.

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Bible is a collection of various individual's religious experiences. That's it. It isn't the Koran.

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    serious question: why are christians so obsessed with the bible? most of it was written by israelites who absolutely hate jesus and the rest was written decades after jesus died. Not only that but the decision which books make it into the bible and which don't was made even later than that. For me the novels of Dostoevsky are more worthy of being called bible than the letters of paul.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Christianity is greek

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      because Jesus came to fulfill biblical prophecies and biblical laws

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Joshua also tells the sun to stand still in the middle of the sky in one book which implies the Bible is geocentric instead of heliocentric.

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    If gravity is essentially the result of negative pressure - then yes...space is an ocean.

  8. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I always figured the firmament was made out of an unknown liquid-like material where stars are suspended. Then when they discovered the vacuum of space, it seems as though the ancients were at least partially correct. I mean, how are you supposed to guess that space is empty?

    Why do atheists take the Bible more literal than most Christians, and why do they think science and religion are mutually exclusive?

  9. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    correct

  10. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I've LITERALLY hit a golf ball in my back yard and seen it bounce off the dome. It's lower in some places than others so your pic is innacurate.

  11. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Earth flat
    2 genders
    God real
    Space fake
    Aliens demons

  12. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >DOOOOOD ITS ALL LE METAPHOR
    how embarrassing. really.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      what did the golfball bounce off then? i heard it crack. shot straight down to the ground.

  13. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically yes

  14. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >A Christian believes the Bible.
    >The Bible says the sky is solid
    no that is your incorrect interpretation of the bible

    • 6 months ago
      Anonymous

      Prove that

  15. 6 months ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus changed the world with his resurrection

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